BerwickMad Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Even if Labour get voted in the next GE, we'd hardly be getting the government we want. Given that they know they have to woo over the right wing vote voter base in the south of England to win the election, which pretty much makes us irrelevant. Look at the poll tax protests up here for example. It didn't have an effect until the people started protesting about it in England. Who's 'we'? Scotland isn't a person! It's 5 million people, many with vastly different political beliefs. This argument is utter bollocks IMO. You could keep cutting down to counties, towns, villages and streets, and you still wouldn't get a government that represented everyone's views. You're no different to anyone else in Britain as an individual. This hard done by poor us shite is ridiculous. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 EXACTLY, thats what all they parties will have to do always!!! I cant get my head round jmothecat etc actually thinking itll make f**k all difference to us, why would the Westminster parties care when the vast majority of their electorate are in London and the SE. Keep them happy theyre sorted. Aye, and it would be exactly the same in Scotland. It doesn't matter what 'Aberdeen' or 'the Borders' vote for because the Holyrood politicians would always chase the vote in the central belt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Even if Labour get voted in the next GE, we'd hardly be getting the government we want. . lolwut? We'd have voted for them comprehensively, but they wouldn't be the government we want? Are the SNP the government we want in Holyrood? You know, the party that less than half of the people who voted, voted for? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) lolwut? We'd have voted for them comprehensively, but they wouldn't be the government we want? Are the SNP the government we want in Holyrood? You know, the party that less than half of the people who voted, voted for? The SP is far more representative of the voters in Scotland than Westminster will ever be. Edited August 12, 2014 by strichener 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 The SP is far more representative of the voters in Scotland than Westminster will ever be. I don't believe that answers the question I asked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 I don't believe that answers the question I asked. In answer to your question - The party with the largest scottish vote got the most seats. Can you say the same about Westminster? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 In answer to your question - The party with the largest scottish vote got the most seats. Can you say the same about Westminster? No. Nor can I say the party with the largest London vote got the most seats. I'm sure you'll be making a point here soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Even if Labour get voted in the next GE, we'd hardly be getting the government we want. I agree wholeheartedly, the Labour party that presents itself for election is not the one we will receive if the British public were daft enough to vote them in. They are a bunch of conmen/women who'd run their granny over for a bit of power. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 I agree wholeheartedly, the Labour party that presents itself for election is not the one we will receive if the British public were daft enough to vote them in. They are a bunch of conmen/women who'd run their granny over for a bit of power. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I assume the SNP are exempt from this problem. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 The Tories haven't won a majority since 1992. And that won't change next year. Thanks goodness they didn't get a majority last time, eh? That would have been bad. It makes not a jot of difference who gets in in Westminster. Just a different coloured tie. Precisely. The only relevance this has to the Referendum is the short sighted Labour morons who are following their party blindly as always. We'll have a conservative government in Westminster in 2015 and beyond anyway. Anyway latest TNS: 38/46/16. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 I assume the SNP are exempt from this problem. You'd be better asking a SNP voter like H_B that question, I got the government I voted for at Westminster and I didn't get the one I voted for at Holyrood. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 No. Nor can I say the party with the largest London vote got the most seats. I'm sure you'll be making a point here soon. No one asked about London. The point has already been made by fotbawmad, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 No one asked about London. Where did I say they had? Scotland is no more hard done to than any other region, and its certainly not a bloc vote. Almost as many people in Scotland voted for the current Westminster government as voted for the current Holyrood administration. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 You'd be better asking a SNP voter like H_B that question, I got the government I voted for at Westminster and I didn't get the one I voted for at Holyrood. 1 out of 2 is better than I got 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Where did I say they had? Scotland is no more hard done to than any other region, and its certainly not a bloc vote. Almost as many people in Scotland voted for the current Westminster government as voted for the current Holyrood administration. That's arguments all fine and well if you consider Scotland a region. Most people, including no voters, consider Scotland a country. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Where did I say they had? Scotland is no more hard done to than any other region, and its certainly not a bloc vote. Almost as many people in Scotland voted for the current Westminster government as voted for the current Holyrood administration. Given the reduction in representation that was implemented as part of devolution, Scotland is treated as a bloc. Not one single person in the UK voted for the current government. Your fail here is as big as your assertion that the majority of Scots voted against the SNP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Not one single person in the UK voted for the current government. Yes they did. Fail. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Yes they did. Fail. So you will be able to show me the manifesto that contained the conflation of the Conservative and Lib Dem policies and the party that stood on this at the General Election. I will re-word my previous post just so you may have a hope of understanding; No-one voted for a Conservative/Lib Dem governement as it wasn't an option on the ballot paper. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 So you will be able to show me the manifesto that contained the conflation of the Conservative and Lib Dem policies and the party that stood on this at the General Election. I will re-word my previous post just so you may have a hope of understanding; No-one voted for a Conservative/Lib Dem governement as it wasn't an option on the ballot paper. You vote for an MP, not a government. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joozy Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) Thanks goodness they didn't get a majority last time, eh? That would have been bad. Precisely. The only relevance this has to the Referendum is the short sighted Labour morons who are following their party blindly as always. We'll have a conservative government in Westminster in 2015 and beyond anyway. Anyway latest TNS: 38/46/16. Only among those certain to vote (733 out of the 1003 people polled). Be interesting to see exactly what they mean by that (i.e. are they excluding those who said they were very likely to vote and only including the 10/10 certainties). Among the full 1003, it's 32(-)/45(+4)/23(-4). All this taken from the Herald website btw, which doesn't present the data in a table. Edited August 12, 2014 by joozy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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