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Yeah? That's right! Super.

Out of interest, how much has been bet on Yes and No respectively?

I don't have specifics to hand, but if you look at the post at the top of this page it will give you an idea.

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The odds for this were not worked out based on probability. There was a strategic decision made to offer "No" at very short odds with the expectancy of flushing out big stakes south of the border who wanted a good return on a short term investment on something that was seen by many as an almost certain outcome. That is exactly what has happened.

Bookies exist to make money. If there is a yes vote, they will make money. That is all I am saying on it.

In fact, if we go back to this.... what you are saying is that the bookmakers' strategy was to "flush out" big stakes on No by err, having it at really poor odds. This worked a treat, and now they face losses on the back of it if it's a No vote.

Given that there will be a No vote, this is a disaster for them.

So how does that square with your "Bookies exist to make money" claim?

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Where did you post this? Wouldn't mind reading it.

I'm merely speculating, but imagine a group of bookies decided to use their Scottish branches to scout opinion on the referendum. Imagine they received feedback from their branches showing a massive amount of pro yes sentiment compared to no. Imagine they were surprised at that. Imagine they thought that their original expectation of Yes as an outside bet was wrong by some distance. Imagine that they thought they could profit from this by offering very short odds on a No vote, expecting that most high stakes punters would think the establishment will make sure a No vote is certain. Imagine lots of high stakes bets going on a No vote at very short odds, from people who were certain it was a relatively risk free way to get a good return on an investment over a 2 year period. Imagine the bookies limiting the maximum stake you can place on a Yes vote to ensure they do not pay out too much if that decision is the one that comes out, ensuring that a Yes vote makes them a big profit.

Merely speculation, of course.

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In fact, if we go back to this.... what you are saying is that the bookmakers' strategy was to "flush out" big stakes on No by err, having it at really poor odds. This worked a treat, and now they face losses on the back of it if it's a No vote.

Given that there will be a No vote, this is a disaster for them.

So how does that square with your "Bookies exist to make money" claim?

We'll find out on Friday.

The people they were aiming to get would not be looking at it as a bet at poor odds, they would be looking at it as a safe, short term investment with a very high yield.

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The people they were aiming to get would not be looking at it as a bet at poor odds, they would be looking at it as a safe, short term investment with a very high yield.

Well, yeah. I've said all along it's a good return on investment.

But still stupid. Anyone who bet No at 1/6 or 1/7 as several high rollers did should have waited. The odds on No were always going to contract nearer the event.

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So, if there is a No vote, you will be completely wrong?

If there is a No vote I'll wish I had dismissed what I was told as I had done originally. I was told this about 9 months ago and reminded of it around a fortnight ago. With other data being made available in the time in between, I think it has far more behind it than it did when I was told the first time.

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I wouldn't read too much into betfair paying out on a No vote. A nice publicity stunt from them on behalf of the No campaign. Considering their co owner is the grandson of a ex Tory MP it was probably the least he could do. (Apologies if some on had already mentioned this. I can't be fucked checking)

http://www.bettinggods.com/andrew-black-betfair-co-founder/

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Ha! I've sussed the reason why the big NO vote has disappeared recently.

When the early polls were done, this happened:-

Southern pollster "And how will you be voting, my good man?"

Scottish person "Ah'm no' votin' "

With the latest polls, all the would-be non-voters are properly identified and voila, a decline in the NO vote. :)

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I absolutely guarantee that I would say the same if the situation was reversed but it's quite obviously a publicity stunt ffs.

It would cost about 40k to get a decent bit of space of advertising in The Telegraph chip wrapper edition. Dropping 100k to get a companies name all over the news, social media etc during a hugely press intensive story is a great bit of business.

Why would it be "Interesting" Lex? :lol: Betfair know something do they?

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88% OF SCOTTISH ONLINE BETS ARE FOR 'YES'

WILLIAM HILL have revealed that 88% of all bets they have taken online from clients with Scottish addresses have been for YES; compared with 70% from clients throughout England,Scotland, Wales and N Ireland.

DUNDEE has been installed as odds-on favourite to be the region producing the highest percentage of Yes votes in the Scottish Referendum.

Hills make Dundee their 8/15 favourite, with Clackmannanshire 5/1 second favourite, ahead of 8/1 Glasgow and Na h-Eileranan Slair; 12/1 Angus; 16/1 Moray. The 100/1 outsiders are Dumfries And Galloway; E. Dunbartonshire; Scottish Borders and South Ayrshire.

Meanwhile, Britain’s biggest bookmakers, who have now taken over £2million in bets on the outcome of the Referendum, and who predict an idsutry-wide turnover of some £10m, make NO their 1/ 4 favourite, with YES offered at 11/4. ‘NO has been odds-on favourite throughout the campaign, but with YES reportedly closing up, according to various opinion polls, we would expect to see late backing for that option’ said Hill’s spokesman Graham Sharpe, adding ‘We will continue to take bets for as long as possible on polling day.’

Hills say they currently face a five figure loss should the result be NO, but will make a six figure profit should it be YES.

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