Bedford White Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepundit Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Need a few more polls before I believe it. But if true, wow! Wouldn't surprise me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 I expected the SNP vote to be squeezed to make sure the Tories are gone but that poll seems like a bit of an outlier this far from an election. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, sparky88 said: I expected the SNP vote to be squeezed to make sure the Tories are gone but that poll seems like a bit of an outlier this far from an election. Aye, it also demonstrates how shit FPTP can be, with the party winning the biggest part of the popular vote ending up with nine seats less than the party which was 2nd in the popular vote. Edited February 17, 2023 by Trogdor 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, Trogdor said: Aye, it also demonstrates how shit FPTP can be, with the party winning the biggest part of the popular vote ending up with nine seats less than the party which was 2nd in the popular vote. Indeed. Of course, the SNP's winning of as many as 56 seats with a UK vote proprtion no higher than 5% doesn't say much about FPTP either. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Malkmus Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 5 hours ago, Bedford White said: What looks an awful lot like a subset Here's something else 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Waldo Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 23 minutes ago, Trogdor said: Aye, it also demonstrates how shit FPTP can be, with the party winning the biggest part of the popular vote ending up with nine seats less than the party which was 2nd in the popular vote. Was it the last election, or the one before that, that UKIP got millions of votes and hee haw MPs? FPTP is alright sometimes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, sophia said: Here's something else Even that 10% lead poll suggests a loss of 7 seats for the SNP (+ 1 from LD and + 3 from the Tories, but -11 to Labour). One more margin of error swing to Labour and their neck and neck as the largest party in terms of Scottish MPs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 On 15/02/2023 at 09:17, virginton said: A smarter political party changes its leader while still in government and with the scope to refresh its entire front bench in terms of people and ideas. This is proof positive, if any were needed, that P&B remains ahead of the curve and in the time it takes for a football match to complete, Scotland follows where the great intelligentsia leads 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 40 minutes ago, Mr Waldo said: Was it the last election, or the one before that, that UKIP got millions of votes and hee haw MPs? FPTP is alright sometimes. This is misleading. FPTP meant UKIP ended up with zero MPs but surprising even with zero MPs, the party has enormous influence on the Tory Party and ultimately the direction of travel for UK politics. A case of the tail that wags the dog. Under PR, UKIP would have MPs at Westminster but I think that would make it a bit more obvious what a bunch of zoomers they all are. Not that I care much for the Tories but I suspect the Tories would not have to lurch as far to the right as they currently do to avoid UKIP doing them damage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 15 hours ago, Mr Waldo said: Was it the last election, or the one before that, that UKIP got millions of votes and hee haw MPs? FPTP is alright sometimes. Instead they ended up with an 80 seat majority in 2019. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 On 17/02/2023 at 15:12, Bedford White said: I've been looking on YouGov and have not been able to find this poll. Anyone else found the source data? It looks suspiciously like a subset. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) At Westminster Hythe is part of Folkestone & Hythe which has been Tory since it's creation in 1950. Edited March 4, 2023 by GNU_Linux 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 On 17/02/2023 at 21:25, Fullerene said: Under PR, UKIP would have MPs at Westminster but I think that would make it a bit more obvious what a bunch of zoomers they all are. Not that I care much for the Tories but I suspect the Tories would not have to lurch as far to the right as they currently do to avoid UKIP doing them damage. This is the argument you hear isn't it, from pro-fptp types, you'll only end up with fringe nutters in parliament. Is it not better having them out in the open (and make their supporters feel represented) than them puppeteer the direction of traffic of the elected gov? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 It worked out well in the case of the BNP - they got a couple of MEPs, then totally imploded when out in the open and not in an underground bunker. Removes entirely the usual 'MSM is ignoring us' routine that they and similar groups spurn out, which is about their only useful marketing tool. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarrbridgeSaintee Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 21 minutes ago, GNU_Linux said: At Westminster Hythe is part of Folkestone & Hythe which has been Tory since it's creation in 1950. Could Tory actually be switching to the Greens?! Crazy if so. Or maybe the new independent candidates are mopping up the votes. Would be interested to know what they stand for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Just now, CarrbridgeSaintee said: Could Tory actually be switching to the Greens?! Crazy if so. Or maybe the new independent candidates are mopping up the votes. Would be interested to know what they stand for. Could it be related to sewage on their beach? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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