Johnny Martin Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 On 06/10/2023 at 07:07, Suspect Device said: No it wasn't. It was the expected result but Labour failed to inspire their core vote and the Tories helped them to a victory judging by the collapse in their vote. A win for unionism. You'll be happy enough with that. You're right there. I'll well chuffed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Martin Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 5 hours ago, Trogdor said: What a depressing notion. Its also utter drivel there are about a dozen policy disasters that the SNP government instigated all by themselves. They could be doing better by simply not doing that. I think your view is incredibly cynical and really boils down to SNP good WM bad. The reality is the SNP could be doing a much better job of governing under the constitution settlement. If they don't do a much better job then independence won't happen. The SNP's incompetence in government is undermining the movement. When will the reality of that situation sink in? The only way the SNP will get Scots to want independence is, as Kate Forbes rightly said during her leadership campaign, by good governance. That's definitely not happening under the continuity candidate. Unless the polling and voting patterns change dramatically, for a sustained and lengthy period of time, and I'm talking years, then granting a 2nd referendum on partition would be ridiculous. The whole notion of splitting up a country by striking while the iron is hot and Brexit is in the population's minds is really quite immoral. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocketman Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 11 minutes ago, Johnny Martin said: The whole notion of splitting up a country by striking while the iron is hot and Brexit is in the population's minds is really quite immoral. I imagine many of us have been guilty of idiotic takes on issues in the pol section through a heat of the moment response, myself included, but by Jesus, this takes the cake - one part of the sentence alone would do it never mind three. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Johnny Martin said: You're right there. I'll well chuffed. So chuffed you can hardly type a proper sentence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 8 hours ago, StellarHibee said: Which is why they can't. Do you honestly think Westminster would give a devolved parliament the capability of doing so much better than themselves? There's a reason why both the SNP and Labour have failed to significantly improve Scotland from Holyrood relative to Westminster. They can't. It's not set up to allow this to happen. Westminster will NEVER give Scotland any sort of edge that would improve the prospects of Scottish Independence. It's utterly incredible that there are still people living here who still haven't figured that one out yet. Incredible. No, this is just the other side of the coin to Fatty Foulkes' 'the SNP are making things better on purpose', unhinged drivel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Thank feck the coppers don't have any difficult crimes to investigate. Over 2 years without dropping it or charging anyone is an absolute joke. Probably cost more now in wages, coffee and doughnuts than any money misappropriated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Denny Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 23 minutes ago, superbigal said: Thank feck the coppers don't have any difficult crimes to investigate. Over 2 years without dropping it or charging anyone is an absolute joke. Probably cost more now in wages, coffee and doughnuts than any money misappropriated. Be interesting to watch the Honours List... a cute move by someone to tar the SNP.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Martin Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 5 hours ago, KingRocketman II said: I imagine many of us have been guilty of idiotic takes on issues in the pol section through a heat of the moment response, myself included, but by Jesus, this takes the cake - one part of the sentence alone would do it never mind three. I've come across some strange diversionary tactics, but colour coding perfectly decipherable posts really is scraping the barrel. Better luck next time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 It was an incredibly strange post tbh. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Martin Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 26 minutes ago, Ziggy Sobotka said: It was an incredibly strange post tbh. Hopefully his next one is in italics too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 37 minutes ago, Johnny Martin said: Hopefully his next one is in italics too. I was meaning your post. There is nothing immoral about requesting a democratic vote. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 22 hours ago, Johnny Martin said: The only way the SNP will get Scots to want independence is, as Kate Forbes rightly said during her leadership campaign, by good governance. That's definitely not happening under the continuity candidate. Unless the polling and voting patterns change dramatically, for a sustained and lengthy period of time, and I'm talking years, then granting a 2nd referendum on partition would be ridiculous. The whole notion of splitting up a country by striking while the iron is hot and Brexit is in the population's minds is really quite immoral. But happy with a partitioned Ireland . . . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 18 hours ago, superbigal said: Thank feck the coppers don't have any difficult crimes to investigate. Over 2 years without dropping it or charging anyone is an absolute joke. Probably cost more now in wages, coffee and doughnuts than any money misappropriated. Pretty sure that two years is not an even remotely long period of time to investigate financial misconduct allegations. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 17 minutes ago, virginton said: Pretty sure that two years is not an even remotely long period of time to investigate financial misconduct allegations. Large scale fraud can take anywhere between 2 and 5 years to be resolved. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Lowest the SNP have polled with YouGov since 2014. It’s a niche concern but Reform UK got 1.3% in Rutherglen and 0.2% in Airdrie. As far as I can see they didn’t stand in the local elections in 2022. They got 0.2% in the 2021 Scottish election. Where do people get 2% from, let alone 4% in the previous poll? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 People (gammon shaded in this case) bullshit pollster responses. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 29 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Lowest the SNP have polled with YouGov since 2014. It’s a niche concern but Reform UK got 1.3% in Rutherglen and 0.2% in Airdrie. As far as I can see they didn’t stand in the local elections in 2022. They got 0.2% in the 2021 Scottish election. Where do people get 2% from, let alone 4% in the previous poll? People threatening to vote for these right wing protest parties will likely hold their nose and vote tactically for the most likely unionist candidate on the day. Similarly I don’t see the Greens getting anywhere near 5% as those suggesting they will vote for them will end up going SNP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 27 minutes ago, ICTChris said: It’s a niche concern but Reform UK got 1.3% in Rutherglen and 0.2% in Airdrie. As far as I can see they didn’t stand in the local elections in 2022. They got 0.2% in the 2021 Scottish election. Where do people get 2% from, let alone 4% in the previous poll? Maybe they're extrapolating from UK wide polling given a small sample in Scotland? Can't find any details on the poll. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Maybe they're extrapolating from UK wide polling given a small sample in Scotland? Can't find any details on the poll. I think that must be it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 How can the Tories be 4 points up given their conference shambles? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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