Thenorthernlight Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, DukDukGoose said: There's far more to work with if you compare MacKenzie to Hayes but Hayes used to be really good and is still fast. I'd have MacKenzie over Hayes every day of the week. I’d say if we’re persisting with a 3-1-4-2, then Hayes is the far better option. If it’s a back 4, then maybe MacKenzie. But it’s pretty clear from the ire-season games it’ll be 3 at the back Edited July 28, 2023 by Thenorthernlight 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 31 minutes ago, Thenorthernlight said: Here’s a thing. Shouldn’t we be looking at better than both? I’m not sure it would be that difficult, especially with our expanded scouting network. Of course, but it's difficult to get the right player in when you're needing 12 or so. 29 minutes ago, Thenorthernlight said: I’d say if we’re persisting with a 3-1-4-2, then Hayes is the far better option. If it’s a back 4, then maybe MacKenzie. But it’s pretty clear from the ire-season games it’ll be 3 at the back I genuinely don't think there's any situation where Hayes is the better option. I'd imagine the only reason he's still there is to keep his son in the youth system, added to the really good work he has done taking that team. Hayes the coach and his child would absolutely be an asset to a Dundee United. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, DukDukGoose said: There's far more to work with if you compare MacKenzie to Hayes but Hayes used to be really good and is still fast. I'd have MacKenzie over Hayes every day of the week. Is there far more to work with? I just don't see that at all. I probably am a bit biased, but to me Hayes still looks like a much better option than Mackenzie at wing-back in our system. Hayes isn't perfect, obviously, but I have seen nothing from Mackenzie to suggest that he would be capable of matching the performance levels of Hayes in the wins at the end of last season against Rangers and St Mirren, for example. Edited July 28, 2023 by DrewDon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 I’d say having the two of them as our options at LWB going into the new season is a glaring deficiency. I was happy enough with Hayes getting a new deal to remain around the squad, if it’s actively stopped us recruiting an actual wing back then we shouldn’t have bothered 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 48 minutes ago, DrewDon said: Is there far more to work with? I just don't see that at all. I probably am a bit biased, but to me Hayes still looks like a much better option than Mackenzie at wing-back in our system. Hayes isn't perfect, obviously, but I have seen nothing from Mackenzie to suggest that he would be capable of matching the performance levels of Hayes in the wins at the end of last season against Rangers and St Mirren, for example. Looking at our team as it is (and was), Hayes would be my first pick against the ugliest. Since moving to the RDU it's even more glaring how poor he is movement wise now that the legs aren't what they were. MacKenzie can defend first and foremost. If we're going 3 at the back then I'd keep him as back up lcb as they are line hens teeth. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d31 Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Ideally we need a new LB/LWB by the time the two games per week kick on. I'd argue more important than a left footed centre back 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lubo_blaha Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 2 hours ago, DukDukGoose said: I'd imagine the only reason he's still there is to keep his son in the youth system, added to the really good work he has done taking that team. Not sure about that one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 4 hours ago, DukDukGoose said: Looking at our team as it is (and was), Hayes would be my first pick against the ugliest. Since moving to the RDU it's even more glaring how poor he is movement wise now that the legs aren't what they were. MacKenzie can defend first and foremost. If we're going 3 at the back then I'd keep him as back up lcb as they are line hens teeth. Ok, everyone on here knows that you have a strange dislike for Jonny Hayes. You really don't have to put that in every post you make, but you do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 25 minutes ago, kingjoey said: Ok, everyone on here knows that you have a strange dislike for Jonny Hayes. You really don't have to put that in every post you make, but you do. Don't dislike the man at all joey. Swing and a miss. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 16 minutes ago, DukDukGoose said: Don't dislike the man at all joey. Swing and a miss. Dislike him as a player now, then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, kingjoey said: Dislike him as a player now, then. Playing wise he should be nowhere near the club and gets a lot of grace from some due to what he did almost a decade ago. If it was a player of equivalent ability with no prior connection to the club then folk would want him anywhere other than here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1GregStewart Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 23 minutes ago, DukDukGoose said: Playing wise he should be nowhere near the club and gets a lot of grace from some due to what he did almost a decade ago. If it was a player of equivalent ability with no prior connection to the club then folk would want him anywhere other than here. Fans relate to his fantastic attitude and energy. It’s only natural. As has been said a million times, end product needs to be better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, 1GregStewart said: Fans relate to his fantastic attitude and energy. It’s only natural. As has been said a million times, end product needs to be better. That's never been in doubt. Not a reason to keep him at the club and as it stands, a first pick. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1GregStewart Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 8 hours ago, DukDukGoose said: That's never been in doubt. Not a reason to keep him at the club and as it stands, a first pick. More to it than that. A lot to be said for keeping some ‘club men’. Long term servants who care about the club and can help with the youngsters. Someone to look up to and encourage longevity instead of completely different teams every couple of years. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 9 hours ago, DukDukGoose said: Don't dislike the man at all joey. Swing and a miss. I’ll be honest, there’s been times when I’ve wondered if hayes has shagged your mrs or something but I broadly agree, our reliance on him is frustrating. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 2 hours ago, 1GregStewart said: More to it than that. A lot to be said for keeping some ‘club men’. Long term servants who care about the club and can help with the youngsters. Someone to look up to and encourage longevity instead of completely different teams every couple of years. Remember this is the same man who there's been countless stories told that begins with "Jonny put a shite in his bag". 2 hours ago, Dons_1988 said: I’ll be honest, there’s been times when I’ve wondered if hayes has shagged your mrs or something but I broadly agree, our reliance on him is frustrating. Not really. Just call it as I see it. If someone was sad enough to search, they'd see I've given him praise where it was due. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TommyDickFingers Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 15 minutes ago, DukDukGoose said: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thenorthernlight Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 Jeez. That starting X1 at Charlton. 7 days to go before we kick off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thenorthernlight Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 14 minutes ago, TommyDickFingers said: It’s a piss poor defence just a week before we start, that’s what it is 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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