All things Dundee FC

[RandomGuy.]

43 minutes ago, Crawford said:

I can't speak for anyone but this idea of "pretty"football or non direct football is a joke. 

You can have possession and make a 30 pass attack end with nothing or be direct or 'hoof it' and gain ground and maybe score.

You need goals to get 3 points. Not 'pretty' passing. Neilson, Hopkin and Hughes can appreciate that because that's exactly what their game plan has always been.

I'd Neilson in a heartbeat if he was willing.

Not sure Hughes should be in there with his "philoshiphy" 

[Fifespud]

What about the fat grass? Anyone?

As I said earlier I’ve always felt Ian MacCall was destined to be the Dundee manager also.

Anyhow if Neilson was appointed it would be hard to argue with that.

If Hughes got the gig I could see another season ticket heading back to DP and I’ve only just started buying one again. Yes one, I don’t even have a spare this season [emoji17]

[Girth]

I’m putting myself forward for the manager role chaps.

I’m 36, was a terrible player in my day but I won’t play Moussa or Hamilton.

Thank you.

[DigOutYourSoul]

McCann won't get the sack, yet. I don't think the board are likely to pull the trigger this early in the season - no matter how bad yesterday was. Having just gone through a complete overhaul of the squad - I don't know if going through the same thing again would solve anything.

As I said yesterday the performance was woeful and can't be defended. He, and the team, have got a long way to go now to win people back over after that.

He got his team selection and tactics all wrong. Although, I bet before kick off plenty people were happy with the team selection as - I can't be bothered to go and find the comments - Wighton and Mendy playing together is exactly what some had been calling for all week. 

I've said numerous time I actually think his recruitment has been really good but yesterday he set the team out for failure, IMO. The lack of width played right into Ayrs hands and we had no out ball what so ever in the first half which lead to the fans getting frustrated and negativity reverberating around the stands before half time. IMO, he done 100% the right thing at half time bringing Kallman - who showed glimpses - on for Wighton who offered nothing.

Things were starting to look a bit better in the second half until we conceded a goal any junior team in the country would be ashamed to lose. A straight ball from  a goal kick allowed to bounce by the defenders and shank land scores from a straight assist from the goalkeeper. This is where the players also have to take a bit of responsibility, we can talk about the team selection and tactics until the cows come home but mistakes like that aren't down to the manager, IMO, it's atrocious from the defence. After Ayr took the lead it was always going to be tough to get back into it with their defensive record, it's a game you have to be taking the lead in. With the exception of Moussa and McGowan it's the same team that played so well last week against Aberdeen was awful yesterday and the players, as much as the manager, need to take the blame for that. 

The game next week now comes with massive pressure now. Not because it's going to have a material affect on the season this early on, but I fear if Dundee lose the backlash will be too much.

[tree house tam]

3 minutes ago, Girth said:

I’m putting myself forward for the manager role chaps.

I’m 36, was a terrible player in my day but I won’t play Moussa or Hamilton.

Thank you.

With your football knowledge obviously better than Neils, I'd prefer you doing the half time music.

[daftydee]

Question, how long is McCanns contract & could it be too expensive to sack him even if the board wanted to? Remember Hartley wasn't easy to pay off.

[ravabelli]

Firstly, that post from deefox should be pinned on every door throughout Dens park and every staff member made to read it completely every time they pass it!

Secondly, I keep reading how McCann's recruitment has been good! Sorry but from early doors it's been crap with the odd exception of Kamara ( who is decent but isn't nearly the player most on here claim he is) and Caulker ( who again has hardly been a rock and solidified the defence).  The alarm bells started for me when he signed Spence, a laddie who couldn't get a game for a team a level or possibly two levels below us at the time and thought he could hack it in the premiership. He's just an example but have any other of his picks got you on the edge of your seat or excited? If that's the  level of player  we can afford then so be it, maybe explains why two championship teams have played us off the park and we'll struggle to survive this year.

McCann in my opinion should never have been offered the job, that's down  to a lack of knowledge and inexperience on the owners part. He's clearly struggling and out of his depth, which probably explains why he continually falls out with other coaches, players officials etc etc and has this Mr Angry tag. But as much as he's tactically naive I personally don't think the players are good enough. Simple as that.... I've watched Dundee for over 40yrs and some of the current squad are up there with the worst I've ever seen wear the shirt and no amount of coaching and talking a good game will change that

[Dundee-FC92]

Well, well, well.

What a pile of horseshite yesterday was - watching Moussa trudge slowly as possible off the pitch (whilst we were 1 down) was a sight that will stay with me as one of the most hopeless moment of my time going to Dens.

He really has to go, his time is up now, he should not play again for Dundee.

Kasunga and Spence were started ahead of Kamara and Caulker. A decision that was questioned at the start of the game and now I'll question it more. Even if Caulker and Kamara could only manage 70 minutes they have to start. Kamara isn't the sort of player you bring on for the last 20 minutes anyway - he's a fucking holding midfielder. As a note Kasunga was fucking shite and Jack Hamilton looks shaky as f**k.

McCann get your finger out your arse and get it sorted you wee p***k. Three strikers in from foreign countries that there can be no basis to say they'll do well in Scotland. What a shitshow.

The worst part is at least four of them Ayr players could make our squad. The inability to find a solid right back and striker over the course of two years is a disgrace.

Thank you.

[ayrmad]

3 hours ago, rainbowrising said:

What do we do now that we have lost our top striker to a match ban?

The competence of the .manager has to be questioned that he can put these guys up front. Attrocious. 

I never understood all the stuff about McGinn at Parkhead as they clearly need to sort out their back 4 not midfield.  Similarly we pissed money on a keeper blowing vital funds for a proper strike force. The manager has gotten this horribly wrong.

 

Not going to argue about the need for a striker but you had too many players not willing to take a chance and make a run round our defence when passes were being played in to the guy  up front in the 1st half, we've 6 or 8 players in a 12 x 8 rectangle, the midfielder's playing the ball into the forward with his back to goals and his only options are to give it back or turn and try to beat 2 or 3 defenders, it only takes one player on each side to run round our defence and he's got an option for a quick pass out to the edge of the box and he's into the box with A N Other to meet the cross.

[ayrmad]

3 minutes ago, Dundee-FC92 said:

Well, well, well.

What a pile of horseshite yesterday was - watching Moussa trudge slowly as possible off the pitch (whilst we were 1 down) was a sight that will stay with me as one of the most hopeless moment of my time going to Dens.

He really has to go, his time is up now, he should not play again for Dundee.

Kasunga and Spence were started ahead of Kamara and Caulker. A decision that was questioned at the start of the game and now I'll question it more. Even if Caulker and Kamara could only manage 70 minutes they have to start. Kamara isn't the sort of player you bring on for the last 20 minutes anyway - he's a fucking holding midfielder. As a note Kasunga was fucking shite and Jack Hamilton looks shaky as f**k.

McCann get your finger out your arse and get it sorted you wee p***k. Three strikers in from foreign countries that there can be no basis to say they'll do well in Scotland. What a shitshow.

The worst part is at least four of them Ayr players could make our team. The inability to find a solid right back and striker over the course of two years is a disgrace.

Thank you.

FTFY.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Firstly, that post from deefox should be pinned on every door throughout Dens park and every staff member made to read it completely every time they pass it!
Secondly, I keep reading how McCann's recruitment has been good! Sorry but from early doors it's been crap with the odd exception of Kamara ( who is decent but isn't nearly the player most on here claim he is) and Caulker ( who again has hardly been a rock and solidified the defence).  The alarm bells started for me when he signed Spence, a laddie who couldn't get a game for a team a level or possibly two levels below us at the time and thought he could hack it in the premiership. He's just an example but have any other of his picks got you on the edge of your seat or excited? If that's the  level of player  we can afford then so be it, maybe explains why two championship teams have played us off the park and we'll struggle to survive this year.
McCann in my opinion should never have been offered the job, that's down  to a lack of knowledge and inexperience on the owners part. He's clearly struggling and out of his depth, which probably explains why he continually falls out with other coaches, players officials etc etc and has this Mr Angry tag. But as much as he's tactically naive I personally don't think the players are good enough. Simple as that.... I've watched Dundee for over 40yrs and some of the current squad are up there with the worst I've ever seen wear the shirt and no amount of coaching and talking a good game will change that

What's worrying is there are teams with much lower budgets than us who manage year after year to put a better team together than we do.

[Meeniedee]

I can handle getting beat from a championship team shit happens but what I can't handle is that disgusting display yesterday ... lucky it was only 3 ..another display like that and surely he'd walk away saving us a pay out 

[frank the pole]

Note the earlier comment about 3-4 Ayr players could walk into the Dundee side (ignoring the fact that Kerr and Adams strolled through the game). I thought their left back Daniel Garvie was excellent and a quick wicki revealed this ...
"The left-back, 19, has been capped three times for Scotland Under-21s, but made just five appearances in the Aberdeen first team.

"There were four or five left-backs available this summer, however Daniel was our first choice," manager Ian McCall told the Ayr United website.

"He fits the culture of what I want at this club; young and hungry players."

McCall added: "The clinching factor for me was that Derek McInnes offered him another contract at Aberdeen, however he turned it down as he wanted to go and play first-team football and that showed real guts."

Questions-
1) McCall could identify 4 left backs why couldn't NM
2) maybe doing NM a disservice- do Dees have less funds available than Ayr?
3) on yesterday's showing then perhaps if the players could hide their shoes then Mr McCall may not be a bad choice should NM fail to turn this round pronto.

(No slight against Ralph by the way who is getting better)

[Dee Man]

46 minutes ago, frank the pole said:

Note the earlier comment about 3-4 Ayr players could walk into the Dundee side (ignoring the fact that Kerr and Adams strolled through the game). I thought their left back Daniel Garvie was excellent and a quick wicki revealed this ...
"The left-back, 19, has been capped three times for Scotland Under-21s, but made just five appearances in the Aberdeen first team.

"There were four or five left-backs available this summer, however Daniel was our first choice," manager Ian McCall told the Ayr United website.

"He fits the culture of what I want at this club; young and hungry players."

McCall added: "The clinching factor for me was that Derek McInnes offered him another contract at Aberdeen, however he turned it down as he wanted to go and play first-team football and that showed real guts."

Questions-
1) McCall could identify 4 left backs why couldn't NM
2) maybe doing NM a disservice- do Dees have less funds available than Ayr?
3) on yesterday's showing then perhaps if the players could hide their shoes then Mr McCall may not be a bad choice should NM fail to turn this round pronto.

(No slight against Ralph by the way who is getting better)

Daniel Garvie obviously isn't on OYS' books. 

[RandomGuy.]

12 minutes ago, Dee Man said:

Daniel Garvie obviously isn't on OYS' books. 

Probably because he doesn't exist.. 

[TheScarf]

It also depends who your contacts are as a manager. 

I’m fairly certain every manager isn’t emailed all the available players and then it’s an auction of contracts to see who each player accepts one from. 

Maybe that actually is how it works, I don’t know.  But I’m guessing McCall’s contacts alerted him to these 4 left backs and McCann’s didn’t.  Is it part of a managers job to phone round clubs and ask who’s out of contract? Again, I don’t know.

Falkirk fans are also bemoaning the fact that someone, I can’t mind who, is cigaring the Championship already, was not on Hartley’s radar.  It’s impossible for even every SPFL player out of contract to be on every managers radar.

[pandarilla]

It also depends who your contacts are as a manager. 
I’m fairly certain every manager isn’t emailed all the available players and then it’s an auction of contracts to see who each player accepts one from. 
Maybe that actually is how it works, I don’t know.  But I’m guessing McCall’s contacts alerted him to these 4 left backs and McCann’s didn’t.  Is it part of a managers job to phone round clubs and ask who’s out of contract? Again, I don’t know.
Falkirk fans are also bemoaning the fact that someone, I can’t mind who, is cigaring the Championship already, was not on Hartley’s radar.  It’s impossible for even every SPFL player out of contract to be on every managers radar.

Having contacts to aid recruitment is obviously a vital part of football in Scotland.

I guess at the very top levels the agents and recruitment specialists will do a lot of the work but Scotland is a small pond. Relationships absolutely matter.

McCall will have his enemies but generally he's an expert at this part.

[DigOutYourSoul]

Note the earlier comment about 3-4 Ayr players could walk into the Dundee side (ignoring the fact that Kerr and Adams strolled through the game). I thought their left back Daniel Garvie was excellent and a quick wicki revealed this ...
"The left-back, 19, has been capped three times for Scotland Under-21s, but made just five appearances in the Aberdeen first team.

"There were four or five left-backs available this summer, however Daniel was our first choice," manager Ian McCall told the Ayr United website.

"He fits the culture of what I want at this club; young and hungry players."

McCall added: "The clinching factor for me was that Derek McInnes offered him another contract at Aberdeen, however he turned it down as he wanted to go and play first-team football and that showed real guts."

Questions-
1) McCall could identify 4 left backs why couldn't NM
2) maybe doing NM a disservice- do Dees have less funds available than Ayr?
3) on yesterday's showing then perhaps if the players could hide their shoes then Mr McCall may not be a bad choice should NM fail to turn this round pronto.

(No slight against Ralph by the way who is getting better)

Aside from Shankland I though Garvie stood out most from Ayrs point of view. Some of his overlapping runs were very good.

McCall “Identifying” 4 left back means nothing at all. Dundee have had 2, that we know of, left backs on trial this summer as well as signing Ralph so he can clearly “identify” them. Whether or not they’re any good or not is a different story.

Also, to suggest 3-4 of Ayrs team would walk into the Dundee 11 is also a massive over reaction, IMO.

One of he biggest disappointments yesterday was the fact that we barely laid a glove, so to speak, on a completely untested 20 year old goalkeeper.

[ayrmad]

16 minutes ago, DigOutYourSoul said:

 

Aside from Shankland I though Garvie stood out most from Ayrs point of view. Some of his overlapping runs were very good.

McCall “Identifying” 4 left back means nothing at all. Dundee have had 2, that we know of, left backs on trial this summer as well as signing Ralph so he can clearly “identify” them. Whether or not they’re any good or not is a different story.

Also, to suggest 3-4 of Ayrs team would walk into the Dundee 11 is also a massive over reaction, IMO.

One of he biggest disappointments yesterday was the fact that we barely laid a glove, so to speak, on a completely untested 20 year old goalkeeper.

 

Daniel Harvie.

[DigOutYourSoul]

Daniel Harvie.

Worst thing is I actually went on Wiki to check.

My bad.