FuzzyAffro Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Switzerland's unemployment rate is 3%. I'm generally in favour of centre-left politics but it would be foolish to refuse to admit that small state economies can be hugely successful. It's not conservative politics as such that I can't stand, it's specifically Britain's brand of conservatism which seems steeped in a kind of punitive blame culture and populism-based disdain for the poor. I mean the size of the public sector and govt to be clear, not big countries over small ones. Not sure if Switzerland is like that so not sure what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Quick question, all these disposed Scottish MPs who for many years have been claiming expenses on London flats (in a lot of cases including the furniture inside them), If they sell them, does the money go back into the public coffers or are they able to trouser the profit from the sale? Into their pocket I'm pretty sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Quick question, all these disposed Scottish MPs who for many years have been claiming expenses on London flats (in a lot of cases including the furniture inside them), If they sell them, does the money go back into the public coffers or are they able to trouser the profit from the sale? I could be wrong, but I think they trouser the profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Quick question, all these disposed Scottish MPs who for many years have been claiming expenses on London flats (in a lot of cases including the furniture inside them), If they sell them, does the money go back into the public coffers or are they able to trouser the profit from the sale? You already know the answer to this RIco. Westmonster politicians putting money into public coffers indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I mean the size of the public sector and govt to be clear, not big countries over small ones. Not sure if Switzerland is like that so not sure what you mean. Yep, I mean small state as in small public sector - nothing to do with the actual size of the country. The Swiss have one of the lowest public expenditure to GDP ratios in the developed world I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 It's worth noting that the share of the vote for pro-independence parties (SNP, plus Greens and others) was about 51.5%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Sorry to be the one that puts a dampener on this discussion but one of the major reasons that it would be difficult to implement a living wage is the ease with which multinational businesses move to avoid paying out higher wages. Not saying it's right but it is something you would need to consider. That being said - it does make sense to implement where you do have control, for example, in public services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 It's worth noting that the share of the vote for pro-independence parties (SNP, plus Greens and others) was about 51.5%. Wasn't in Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Don't agree with the "companies will leave" excuse when it comes to justifying low wages. Really high personal taxation yes, people can and do run away from that. I've yet to see any proof that a decent minimum wage causes commercial flight. I'd wager at there being a shit load more international investment in the high-skill, high-wage North/West European countries than elsewhere on the continent. Manufacturing seems to have been a bit of a race to the bottom since the advent of globalisation but does anyone honestly believe that if a wealthy marketplace like the UK regulated itself in terms of fair wages/working conditions etc - there would suddenly be nobody willing to operate cinemas, fast food restaurants, shops or any business that predominately hires folk on NMW? Not buying it myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave1875 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 https://www.change.org/p/the-uk-government-allow-the-north-of-england-to-secede-from-the-uk-and-join-scotland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 https://www.change.org/p/the-uk-government-allow-the-north-of-england-to-secede-from-the-uk-and-join-scotland Tbh I have some sympathy with this point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 "Secede from the UK and join Scotland" is a misnomer as Scotland is in the UK. The correct term is secede from England. Much like Cornish Nationalists want to secede out of England and make Cornwall a UK nation in its own right You all know I would love Scotland to extend to somewhere south of Blackpool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthedee Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3075075/Sturgeon-won-t-wreck-Westminster-Salmond-Oh-yes-Ex-SNP-leader-sparks-new-rift-insists-Scotland-independent-team-photo-Nicola-s-Nats-shows-DOES-want-build-bridges.html I never wanted salmond elected, but the more i read his comments the more i think he will contradict everything the snp have been saying about a vote for the snp is not a mandate for another indy vote,go on eck lets hear your roar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Quick question, all these disposed Scottish MPs who for many years have been claiming expenses on London flats (in a lot of cases including the furniture inside them), If they sell them, does the money go back into the public coffers or are they able to trouser the profit from the sale? It would be fantastic propaganda for the SNP to rent a fairly scummy tower block with easy tube links to Westminster for all their MPs to stay in when in London, instead of posh Knightsbridge apartments and the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3075075/Sturgeon-won-t-wreck-Westminster-Salmond-Oh-yes-Ex-SNP-leader-sparks-new-rift-insists-Scotland-independent-team-photo-Nicola-s-Nats-shows-DOES-want-build-bridges.html I never wanted salmond elected, but the more i read his comments the more i think he will contradict everything the snp have been saying about a vote for the snp is not a mandate for another indy vote,go on eck lets hear your roar. Salmond is head and shoulders above anything he will face down there, he'll troll the fcuk out of Westminster and the broadcasters without breaking sweat, his interview with Paxman was a thing of beauty that Cameron and Co can't come near to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Going through some of the Scottish Labour who lost the other night, delighted to see Jimmy Hood getting put out on his arse. That is the man who said he would still be against Scottish independence even if it meant Scotland would be a better place. Also backed a Team GB c**t Forgot about that, what a c**t! Delighted he was booted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Cort's Hamstring Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Tbh I have some sympathy with this point of view. In reality though, much of the North is a sea of blue, while London, as usual, returned a Labour majority. The divide is between the big urban areas and the countryside/provincial towns rather than north/south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Wasn't in Britain. It was..in the area of Britain that had an independence referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 In reality though, much of the North is a sea of blue, while London, as usual, returned a Labour majority. The divide is between the big urban areas and the countryside/provincial towns rather than north/south. You are going to have to define "much of the North". Looking at a results map, the NE is red, the NW is red and Yorkshire is Red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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