John Lambies Doos Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Quite an interesting dynamic here ie no PM. Expect Milliband to be the main target for everyone and Milliband to target Farage and Sturgeon more than others. For Sturgeon its simple, get Milliband to reinforce the cuts and point out the current deficit and debt of UK if milliband wants to talk FFA. She should also state that the Scottish people will decide when the next referendum should take place and Milliband has no right to say it wont happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I'm surprised that Miliband agreed to this debate in all honesty. He can't really team up with anyone on the panel, is likely to find himself under scrutiny from all sides and I don't think he can really rip into David Cameron effectively because he doesn't have the platform to respond. I'd expect Sturgeon to be more comfortable here than she was in the Scottish debates. Basically a free spin to win more votes for her, the greens and plaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Farage will attack Miliband, claim the other 3 parties are lining up to get into bed with Labour and say only UKIP offers real change. Miliband will repeatedly attack Cameron in his absence. Sturgeon and her homedawgs will just talk about austerity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gullane No 4 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Bitchfest against Cameron......serves him right for being a fearty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigOutYourSoul Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Farage will attack Miliband, claim the other 3 parties are lining up to get into bed with Labour and say only UKIP offers real change. Miliband will repeatedly attack Cameron in his absence. Sturgeon and her homedawgs will just talk about austerity. Hopefully they do some research on the finances of cuts in austerity. Leanne Wood got torn a new one on the radio earlier on the issue because she couldn't explain her plan to cut the deficit whilst also increasing borrowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 The argument revolves around differing rates of economic growth. Too severe an austerity package shrinks the economy leading to lower tax revenues resulting in a vicious circle. The flip side is that less severe cuts with intelligently targeted spending on infrastructure can help boost economic growth leading to more tax revenues being collected and ultimately a smaller deficit. Not totally sold that the UK is actually in a position to do that successfully right now and it isn't just cynical political opportunism but there is a case to be made for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigOutYourSoul Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 The argument revolves around differing rates of economic growth. Too severe an austerity package shrinks the economy leading to lower tax revenues resulting in a vicious circle. The flip side is that less severe cuts with intelligently targeted spending on infrastructure can help boost economic growth leading to more tax revenues being collected and ultimately a smaller deficit. Not totally sold that the UK is actually in a position to do that successfully right now and it isn't just cynical political opportunism but there is a case to be made for it. Agree with all of this. Just think that if it's one of your main policies you should be able to articulate the point and argument properly. Which she couldn't and when questioned on the numbers just turned her attention to zero hours contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 There is absolutely no excuse for the leader of a fucking political party not to be able to lucidly explain Keynesian economics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 No question that Leanne Wood should be able to articulate the argument. The sensible way to run things fiscally is to accept that capitalism goes through boom and bust cycles and run surpluses in the good times so that it's easy to run deficits in the bad times. Unfortunately for the UK, there was a Chancellor of the Exchequer in the not too distant past, who thought the boom and bust cycle had ended and did bizarre things like selling off most of the nation's gold reserves when the price of gold was unusually low. That's why a dose of Keynesianism may not be the sensible way to go, unfortunately: http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/apr/14/timebomb-uk-economy-will-explode-after-election-says-albert-edwards?CMP=share_btn_tw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QPSAFalkirkFirm Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 No question that Leanne Wood should be able to articulate the argument. The sensible way to run things fiscally is to accept that capitalism goes through boom and bust cycles and run surpluses in the good times so that it's easy to run deficits in the bad times. Unfortunately for the UK, there was a Chancellor of the Exchequer in the not too distant past, who thought the boom and bust cycle had ended and did bizarre things like selling off most of the nation's gold reserves when the price of gold was unusually low. That's why a dose of Keynesianism may not be the sensible way to go, unfortunately: http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/apr/14/timebomb-uk-economy-will-explode-after-election-says-albert-edwards?CMP=share_btn_tw If they use the image of a fused bomb to visualise a time bomb, I'm not sure these chaps know what they are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 Nicola is on a win win imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Nicola is on a win win imo She's said often enough she will be very happy to support labour if it meant locking the tories out. It will be interesting to see how Miliband responds to any renewed overtures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow-sheep Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Off to Glasgow South hustings instead, probably will be of a higher quality there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Off to Glasgow South hustings instead, probably will be of a higher quality there Who's the SNP PPC for that area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 No question that Leanne Wood should be able to articulate the argument. The sensible way to run things fiscally is to accept that capitalism goes through boom and bust cycles and run surpluses in the good times so that it's easy to run deficits in the bad times. Unfortunately for the UK, there was a Chancellor of the Exchequer in the not too distant past, who thought the boom and bust cycle had ended and did bizarre things like selling off most of the nation's gold reserves when the price of gold was unusually low. That's why a dose of Keynesianism may not be the sensible way to go, unfortunately: http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/apr/14/timebomb-uk-economy-will-explode-after-election-says-albert-edwards?CMP=share_btn_tw That's the monetary system that causes that. Capitalism is simply a system of private ownership of property, the means of production and profit. Our economic system isn't remotely capitalist atm. We're about to enter that middle phase of the long term debt cycle. So be prepared for some extremely hard times over the next 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Who's the SNP PPC for that area? I know I'm being a pedant, but they are now PCs not PPCs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I know I'm being a pedant, but they are now PCs not PPCs. So they're coppers now? Strange times we live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow-sheep Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Who's the SNP PPC for that area? Stewart McDonald http://www.snp.org/people/stewart-mcdonald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I assume there will be since it's BBC, but does anyone have the specific link that I'll be able to watch this on the laptop? Just so as I can catch the start of it in time rather than rushing about iPlayer or the like to find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 So they're coppers now? Strange times we live in. They are no longer 'prospective' parliamentary candidates, they are actually parliamentary candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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