Fide Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Miliband confirmed this last night. Sad times and even more reason to vote SNP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Vote Labour get Tories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doink Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Shocking what Labour have become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Not according to BerwickMad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Unless you believe Labour can get a majority. Hey, stop laughing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Saw wee Leanne on a programme last night and she was pretty anti-tory as well. So I've got to say Plaid too, but that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Not according to BerwickMadOr anyone with half a brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted May 1, 2015 Author Share Posted May 1, 2015 Or anyone with half a brain. Us SNP voters have got full brains. And we're incredibly well endowed. Unlucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Or anyone with half a brain. Tony Blair changed The Labour Party irrevocably - it's not coming back. Murphy is a Blairite.. (this is not a good thing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronimo Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 There's plenty of anti-Tory parties in Scotland. The SNP are not the only one, though they are the largest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Or anyone with half a brain. Say the SNP emerge as the third largest party, the Tories gain a few more seats than Labour but don't have the numbers for a majority, even with the support of the Lib Dems, or UKIP and DUP... a) What would you want Labour to do? b) What do you think they would do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Say the SNP emerge as the third largest party, the Tories gain a few more seats than Labour but don't have the numbers for a majority, even with the support of the Lib Dems, or UKIP and DUP... a) What would you want Labour to do? b) What do you think they would do? Make an agreement with the SNP. My ideal government would be Labour/SNP, however it would be idiocy for Miliband to say he would be open to this at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Make an agreement with the SNP. My ideal government would be Labour/SNP, however it would be idiocy for Miliband to say he would be open to this at this stage. I agree this is what would happen. I'd say lying publicly lying about something a week before the election that will haunt him desperately if he wins office is idiocy. Unless he succesfully bluffs his way to a majority (I'd say this is extremely unlikely) it's a no win situation. Even with it patently obvious that he'd be reliant on the SNP to get into office, he was (and is) favourite to achieve this. I don't think most folk outside of the Tory shires are as afraid of the big bad Nat monsters as he thinks they are. He's dug himself a hole here for virtually no reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted May 1, 2015 Author Share Posted May 1, 2015 I agree this is what would happen. I'd say lying publicly lying about something a week before the election that will haunt him desperately if he wins office is idiocy. Unless he succesfully bluffs his way to a majority (I'd say this is extremely unlikely) it's a no win situation. Even with it patently obvious that he'd be reliant on the SNP to get into office, he was (and is) favourite to achieve this. I don't think most folk outside of the Tory shires are as afraid of the big bad Nat monsters as he thinks they are. He's dug himself a hole here for virtually no reason. As was seen when he ruled out another referendum (fine by me), Miliband caves under pressure, whether it be from the Tories or his own party. You have to wonder whether he's tough enuss for the gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Jagsfan Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 As was seen when he ruled out another referendum (fine by me), Miliband caves under pressure, whether it be from the Tories or his own party. You have to wonder whether he's tough enuss for the gig. If it is a choice between letting Dave in for another five years or chumming up with Nicola, I am sure the backroom boys in the Labour Party will know what to do. If it means jettisoning Ed in the process, then this is what will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 There's anti-Tory parties out there in addition to Plaid and the Greens, like TUSC for instance - but Labour most certainly aren't one of them. Last night was just another demonstration that when real change is mooted, be it PR, Scots Independence, or one of the Tory parties being in power, the established parties (including the Yellow Whores) will fight tooth and nail to protect the system which keeps their noses in the trough and the electorate effectively disenfranchised. This country needs a proper revolution. Apparently Britain doesn't do revolution. Well, up until the last parliament, we didn't do widespread rioting and looting either. There's a wind of change blowing down from the North. Rather than building windbreaks, the "establishment" should be building windmills. The lack of a Socialist alternative - or a civilising balance, if you will - will ensure that, when subjugation of the masses reaches a tipping point, heads will end up on spikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I agree this is what would happen. I'd say lying publicly lying about something a week before the election that will haunt him desperately if he wins office is idiocy. Unless he succesfully bluffs his way to a majority (I'd say this is extremely unlikely) it's a no win situation. Even with it patently obvious that he'd be reliant on the SNP to get into office, he was (and is) favourite to achieve this. I don't think most folk outside of the Tory shires are as afraid of the big bad Nat monsters as he thinks they are. He's dug himself a hole here for virtually no reason. I don't think that many really care about the SNP either, and a lot of Labour voters would welcome them. However, quite a few commentators are saying the Tory attack on a possible Labour/SNP deal is having an effect in some places. Most likely places where the 'threat' is helping to get people who are going to vote UKIP to return home. The election is looking ridiculously close, and it won't take much to swing a few of the marginal seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 If it is a choice between letting Dave in for another five years or chumming up with Nicola, I am sure the backroom boys in the Labour Party will know what to do. If it means jettisoning Ed in the process, then this is what will happen. Spot on. I don't think it would mean Miliband getting ditched but it would be a delicious irony if this was a biproduct of it. I've actually supported Miliband against some of the criticism; I'd rather have him than his Blairite brother. But he's been tactically inept on the whole SNP issue from day one and allowed himself to get boxed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TapothehullDee Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 The SNP are tartan tories. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miss dundee Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 The SNP are tartan tories. Period. YAWN I'm new to pie and bovril and thought by coming on the politics thread I would see some constructive arguments/debates from all sides as I'm having a bit of a personal battle with who to vote for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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