jmothecat Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Why? Like you, he's an unrepentant Blairite. His views on the NHS, I, and I would guess most in the Labour Party, find abhorrent. It's a view even most Tories I know don't share. As far as I can gather he is clearly to the right of me, and I'm not exactly on the left of the party. Don't have much sympathy with him. I am a moderate, but I'm moderately Labour and my values are Labour values. A free NHS is an essential part of that for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 His views on the NHS, I, and I would guess most in the Labour Party, find abhorrent. It's a view even most Tories I know don't share. As far as I can gather he is clearly to the right of me, and I'm not exactly on the left of the party. Don't have much sympathy with him. I am a moderate, but I'm moderately Labour and my values are Labour values. A free NHS is an essential part of that for me. 'Labour values' Nothing more cringe than a political catchphrase. 'Stronger for Scotland' is like a boot in the baws too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 His views on the NHS, I, and I would guess most in the Labour Party, find abhorrent. It's a view even most Tories I know don't share. As far as I can gather he is clearly to the right of me, and I'm not exactly on the left of the party. Don't have much sympathy with him. I am a moderate, but I'm moderately Labour and my values are Labour values. A free NHS is an essential part of that for me. Moderate = Tory lite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 His views on the NHS, I, and I would guess most in the Labour Party, find abhorrent. It's a view even most Tories I know don't share. As far as I can gather he is clearly to the right of me, and I'm not exactly on the left of the party. Don't have much sympathy with him. I am a moderate, but I'm moderately Labour and my values are Labour values. A free NHS is an essential part of that for me. "Moderately Labour"? That's a bit odd to say about one's political party of choice. "I'm moderately SNP". "I'm moderately St Mirren". Why join a party or actively claim to be behind it if you're lukewarm about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 "Moderately Labour"? That's a bit odd to say about one's political party of choice. "I'm moderately SNP". "I'm moderately St Mirren". Why join a party or actively claim to be behind it if you're lukewarm about it? I moderately adore Lauren Mayberry from Chvrches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 "Moderately Labour"? That's a bit odd to say about one's political party of choice. "I'm moderately SNP". "I'm moderately St Mirren". Why join a party or actively claim to be behind it if you're lukewarm about it? Supporting a political party isn't the same as supporting a football team. By 'Labour' I was referring to the ideology of Labour, the movement, rather than the party itself. In the same sense one might be moderately Socialist. There are aspects and philosophies of the party and movement I disagree with, but I broadly share their aims and values. I'm considerably more supportive of them than any other party and therefore am happy to accept the parts I am lukewarm to as these are worth sacrificing in favour of the aspects I strongly support and care deeply about. I'm passionate about Labour getting elected, but moderate in my support for the broader philosophy. I don't believe Labour policies and philosophies are perfect, I simply believe them to be considerably better than the alternatives and therefore strongly and passionately support the means for these policies to be implemented. I consider this to be different to passionately supporting the philosophy itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Supporting a political party isn't the same as supporting a football team. By 'Labour' I was referring to the ideology of Labour, the movement, rather than the party itself. In the same sense one might be moderately Socialist. There are aspects and philosophies of the party and movement I disagree with, but I broadly share their aims and values. I'm considerably more supportive of them than any other party and therefore am happy to accept the parts I am lukewarm to as these are worth sacrificing in favour of the aspects I strongly support and care deeply about. I'm passionate about Labour getting elected, but moderate in my support for the broader philosophy. I don't believe Labour policies and philosophies are perfect, I simply believe them to be considerably better than the alternatives and therefore strongly and passionately support the means for these policies to be implemented. I consider this to be different to passionately supporting the philosophy itself.It's funny watching opponents trying to put Labour politics into the narrowest box possible. From the right and 'left'. Desperately trying to tell Labour voters what they should believe, despite not being Labour voters themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 It's funny watching opponents trying to put Labour politics into the narrowest box possible. From the right and 'left'. Desperately trying to tell Labour voters what they should believe, despite not being Labour voters themselves. It's almost as funny as watching Scottish Labour desperately trying to tell Scotland what to do. Decades of political entitlement is hard to shake off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 I believe the implosion is beginning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 As a less frequent visitor these days it's interesting (yet depressing) to see some things haven't changed. Jmothecat is still a c**t. He's as much a socialist as Blair and Mandelson. There's still decent people in the Labour Party trying to do the right thing. Why don't you f**k off and leave them to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenal till I die Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 I can respect a Blairite who has their beliefs and they are what they are. What I can’t stand, is the sort who is willing to get on their knees to Tory voters every time the Tories win an election. As for implosions and smily faces, I just cannot understand how anyone on the left could find a destruction of Labour funny. Maybe one day someone like Danczuk may take over the Labour party. Maybe I will join the SNP or the greens, maybe I will regard the collapse of Labour in England as necessary to clear the way for a party similar to Corbyn and his supporters. I will find the pain in the mean time necessary. But funny?! Hilarious?! Glorious?! Never. Remember that these are real people who are suffering under the Tories, people in comas being found fit to work etc. The Tories doing well is never funny and never something to be celebrated. Should Scotland go independent, the left of both countries will need the left in the other to do well. Remember that the Tories worst fear is a successful independent Scotland as if that happens the mask will slip – suddenly the English will realise there can be another way. Although you’re smarter than us, an allied rUK could only help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilky1878 Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 I can respect a Blairite who has their beliefs and they are what they are. What I cant stand, is the sort who is willing to get on their knees to Tory voters every time the Tories win an election. As for implosions and smily faces, I just cannot understand how anyone on the left could find a destruction of Labour funny. Maybe one day someone like Danczuk may take over the Labour party. Maybe I will join the SNP or the greens, maybe I will regard the collapse of Labour in England as necessary to clear the way for a party similar to Corbyn and his supporters. I will find the pain in the mean time necessary. But funny?! Hilarious?! Glorious?! Never. Remember that these are real people who are suffering under the Tories, people in comas being found fit to work etc. The Tories doing well is never funny and never something to be celebrated. Should Scotland go independent, the left of both countries will need the left in the other to do well. Remember that the Tories worst fear is a successful independent Scotland as if that happens the mask will slip suddenly the English will realise there can be another way. Although youre smarter than us, an allied rUK could only help. People to the left find labours implosion funny because for years now labour have been shifting the goal post more and more to the right. Now Scotland know they can do better than just vote labour to defeat the tories and labour hasn't taken it well. The thing is though labour only have themselves to blame. They said this, that and the next thing about yes supporters. They then tried to bring yes voters back to labour when they realised how much support they had lost, especially to SNPs gain. When they were met with a laugh they turned to SNPbad tactics and have just set no policies whatsoever, have done nothing to show yes voters there respect can be gained again and tried to show a sense of entitlement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Labour are fannies end of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Good article in the Sunday Herald by Ian MacWhirter about how it's time for the SNP and Scottish Labour to cooperate in finding a way of mitigating the Tory welfare cuts. Maybe someone could post the link, on phone and reading print edition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Good article in the Sunday Herald by Ian MacWhirter about how it's time for the SNP and Scottish Labour to cooperate in finding a way of mitigating the Tory welfare cuts. Maybe someone could post the link, on phone and reading print edition. http://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/13952406.It_s_time_to_set_aside_tribalism_in_Scottish_politics/ Not sure if Kez and J Baillie have shifted Labour to the left. Their maths is at least questionable. Bailie was found out by Brewer of all people on the radio on Friday. While MacWhirter has a point , Sturgeon pointed out at FMQ,s that Labour regard the SNP as the enemy. Their hatred runs so deep. They used to run Scotland. Nice wee job on the council, 20 years in the Commons and then of to be clad in Ermine in the Lords as their reward. The SNP have sunk that boat and Labour would rather fight them than the Tories. Not long ago that they all worked together mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Good article in the Sunday Herald by Ian MacWhirter about how it's time for the SNP and Scottish Labour to cooperate in finding a way of mitigating the Tory welfare cuts. Maybe someone could post the link, on phone and reading print edition. Last year the labour party in scotland worked with the tories and now they want the snp to defend scotland from cuts? Mcwhirter is an arse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rational Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Yep, we 'must' try and find a way to work with Labour? I think you will find that it's not the SNP who wants to work with labour, it's the total rejection of the SNP by labour that is the problem. And yes, I know they are in coalition up at city chambers in Edinburgh, but trust me, the knives are conveniently left at the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Why do the snp need scottish labour? What exactly do they have to offer? On all sorts of issues it would be good to have political consensus but until there is any indication that Scottish labour have any influence on UK labour(see trident) they are utterly irrelevant. Perhaps labours position would have a bit more credibility if they didn't consistently argue against Scotland getting more powers to make decisions on issues like tax credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Why do the snp need scottish labour? What exactly do they have to offer? On all sorts of issues it would be good to have political consensus but until there is any indication that Scottish labour have any influence on UK labour(see trident) they are utterly irrelevant. Perhaps labours position would have a bit more credibility if they didn't consistently argue against Scotland getting more powers to make decisions on issues like tax credits. I remember when dear dear Wendy was SLAB leader. Labour wanted more money for apprenticeships in the budget. The SNP obliged and Labour Abstained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 If Scottish parties fought together against Tory cuts and cooperated to find a solution it would be a huge step to persuading the undecided towards independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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