Detournement Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 It's not really any fuckwit in America though. It's continually men with learning difficulties who are usually on anti psychotic drugs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, Detournement said: It's not really any fuckwit in America though. It's continually men with learning difficulties who are usually on anti psychotic drugs. At the risk of being crass, would men with learning difficulties on anti-psychotic drugs not come under the category of 'any fuckwit' more than most? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del79 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 https://nypost.com/2018/08/27/ivanka-trump-slammed-for-tweet-about-video-game-tournament-shooting/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Pilot error IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 What's the argument for guns being available to actors on behalf of the state, but not available to citizens of that state? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 The death toll. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, welshbairn said: The death toll. And appeal to consequences is one way to look at it, though your answer only partially addresses the question, and doesn't address other consequences. What's the ethical argument? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 2 hours ago, banana said: And appeal to consequences is one way to look at it, though your answer only partially addresses the question, and doesn't address other consequences. What's the ethical argument? Are you fucking serious? f**k off you stupid troll 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I don't get where it's better in a democracy to allow neds, lunatics and suspected terrorists to legally buy assault rifles for the price of a few grams of coke from a gun fair, totally unrestricted, to balance police and military who are under strict civil control. Unless you take BLM to the extreme. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 22 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said: Are you fucking serious? f**k off you stupid troll I can't believe the irony that's dripping from this post. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I can't believe the irony that's dripping from this post. I think its the first genuinely funny post I have seen from Pep 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I don't get where it's better in a democracy to allow neds, lunatics and suspected terrorists to legally buy assault rifles for the price of a few grams of coke from a gun fair, totally unrestricted, to balance police and military who are under strict civil control. Unless you take BLM to the extreme.A few grams of cooncil or prop? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 13 hours ago, Peppino Impastato said: Are you fucking serious? f**k off you stupid troll Anyone, ethical argument? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardinal Richelieu Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 13 minutes ago, banana said: Anyone, ethical argument? Looks like no-one's biting. Why not get things moving by explaining why citizens should be afforded the same gun rights as "actors of the state". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Surely every environmentalist should be in favour of unlimited gun ownership. It certainly seems a good way to keep the population numbers down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 58 minutes ago, Cardinal Richelieu said: Looks like no-one's biting. Why not get things moving by explaining why citizens should be afforded the same gun rights as "actors of the state". I'm not exactly sure what the for ethical argument would be, this isn't an issue I've thought about with considerable depth beyond the usual shallow narratives, hence why I'm asking questions. Gut feeling is that the state should not have a monopoly on coercion via violence (generally bad), nor defence of a citizen's self, family and property (generally good). Seems like no-one knows, or is at least willing to share the ethical argument against. Which I find strange considering the regular insta-outrage over citizens owning guns. Maybe it's a matter of framing to a large extent - if you grew up in a setting/society where deferring/appealing to authority is the norm (tell the teacher, tell HR, tell the police; the council should do something, the government should give me something), then citizens owning guns is out of frame. In a flipped context, they are in-frame. Off at a bit of an angle, but if I'm 15 miles from the nearest police station and grocery store, having the means to grow my own food and protect myself and property don't seem like unreasonable propositions...? I suppose the framings I'm getting at are dependence on / independence from others, namely state authority. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 7 minutes ago, banana said: grocery store Mods, please. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Cardinal Richelieu said: Looks like no-one's biting. Why not get things moving by explaining why citizens should be afforded the same gun rights as "actors of the state". Quote this isn't an issue I've thought about with considerable depth Refreshing honesty from a vacuous troll. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 9 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Mods, please. c**t should be shot for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 15 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Refreshing honesty from a vacuous troll. I'm pretty much always honest on here, which is partly what annoys folk. Anyway, you seem to be suggesting you've thought about this with considerable depth. Genuinely curious, what's the ethical case? (for and against) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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