When will indyref2 happen?

[williemillersmoustache]

1 hour ago, Scott Steiner said:

It's not seen as edgy or rebellious to want independence anymore.  

Here's the bit that terrifies folk on the No side, it's seen as normal.

A perfectly legitimate and laudable goal of wanting the people who live in your country to manage its affairs and elect its government.

[Saltire]

1 hour ago, Rugbypark said:

 

Very true. The economic case would destroy the nationalists in any referendum. No credible planning at all.

 

The world runs in economic cycles and small European countries actually handle that rather well. Even the disastrous demise in Iceland and the less severe situation in Ireland, saw them able to respond very quickly grow into recovery.

The British economy is dominated by London and the Southeast of England (it has been since just after WW1 and was heavily subsidised by the "UK Continental Shelf" from the 1970's). That deprives Scotland of the agility required to realise its potential. We can ask our industrial sectors how to help drive our economy forward in a socially responsible manner as new technologies develop, or we can ask them to raise their hands if they've been to Peppa Pig World.

 

 

[Antlion]

2 hours ago, williemillersmoustache said:

Here's the bit that terrifies folk on the No side, it's seen as normal.

A perfectly legitimate and laudable goal of wanting the people who live in your country to manage its affairs and elect its government.

As recently as the start of this century (bizarre as that sounds typing it out), it was seen as a bit of fringe lunacy - the equivalent of independence for Cornwall or UKIP’s desire to leave the EU. It’s pretty remarkable that it’s already now seen as a normal position. It now only seems to be fringe weirdos on the BritNat side who doggedly try and paint all independence supporters as evil separatists and unwashed, untermensch loonies. The irony is that that just makes UK nationalism - especially in light of its demonstrably separatist Brexit - look out of touch with modern Scotland, and desperate to turn back the clock to a time when Jocks knew their place and questioned nothing.

[williemillersmoustache]

2 minutes ago, Antlion said:

As recently as the start of this century (bizarre as that sounds typing it out), it was seen as a bit of fringe lunacy - the equivalent of independence for Cornwall or UKIP’s desire to leave the EU. It’s pretty remarkable that it’s already now seen as a normal position. It now only seems to be fringe weirdos on the BritNat side who doggedly try and paint all independence supporters as evil separatists and unwashed, untermensch loonies. The irony is that that just makes UK nationalism - especially in light of its demonstrably separatist Brexit - look out of touch with modern Scotland, and desperate to turn back the clock to a time when Jocks knew their place and questioned nothing.

An awful lot of effort is expended to make the idea seem like extremism. 

A favourite is the line we want to "break up our country" which is laughable because in order for it to be "ours" we'd be able to influence it by means other than giving £3m to the conservative party and finally demolishing the last bits of the empire would do a huge service for the human race. It's a nonsense, a horrible cunty nonsense of a way to govern anyone. 

[Antlion]

4 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

An awful lot of effort is expended to make the idea seem like extremism. 

A favourite is the line we want to "break up our country" which is laughable because in order for it to be "ours" we'd be able to influence it by means other than giving £3m to the conservative party and finally demolishing the last bits of the empire would do a huge service for the human race. It's a nonsense, a horrible cunty nonsense of a way to govern anyone. 

Watch their brains melt and the defence mechanism of denial kick in when you point out that the UK already broke up in the 1920s, and that they surely mean Scottish independence would just further aid the dissolution. The reaction to any mention of this is usually… 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

We seem to have a revolving door of trolls.

[Antlion]

4 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

We seem to have a revolving door of trolls.

 

[The_Kincardine]

42 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

An awful lot of effort is expended to make the idea seem like extremism. 

A favourite is the line we want to "break up our country" which is laughable because in order for it to be "ours" we'd be able to influence it by means other than giving £3m to the conservative party and finally demolishing the last bits of the empire would do a huge service for the human race. It's a nonsense, a horrible cunty nonsense of a way to govern anyone. 

Wanting to partition our unitary nation-state and using the justification that Scotland is a hang-over of England's imperial past is extremism.  And ignorant extremism at that.

[DublinMagyar]

Wanting to partition our unitary nation-state and using the justification that Scotland is a hang-over of England's imperial past is extremism.  And ignorant extremism at that.

Happy to partition Ireland though, aren't you?

[The_Kincardine]

7 minutes ago, DublinMagyar said:

13 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

Wanting to partition our unitary nation-state and using the justification that Scotland is a hang-over of England's imperial past is extremism.  And ignorant extremism at that.

Happy to partition Ireland though, aren't you?

I have many thousands of posts on here yet have said very little about Ireland though I do have a certain fondness for both the Orange Order and the Irish rugby team.  Both of which are, of course, whole-island organisations.

[ICTJohnboy]

13 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

I have many thousands of posts on here yet have said very little about Ireland though I do have a certain fondness for both the Orange Order and the Irish rugby team.  Both of which are, of course, whole-island organisations.

 

So.... Would you be happy to see a United Ireland?

[williemillersmoustache]

24 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

Wanting to partition our unitary nation-state and using the justification that Scotland is a hang-over of England's imperial past is extremism.  And ignorant extremism at that.

Partition is something very different, something very different which Britain did to India, Ireland and Palestine. The border exists. This is just deciding who governs on our side of it. People who live here or people who do not.

Now off with you to the drinks cabinet under the sink to drown your sorrows in bleach based disenfectant and ponder the knowledge that Great Britain will soon be a historical term, only used by embarrassing drunk old racists who still say things like Rhodesia, Bombay and Rangers.

[ICTJohnboy]

7 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

Now off with you to the drinks cabinet under the sink to drown your sorrows in bleach based disenfectant and ponder the knowledge that Great Britain will soon be a historical term, only used by embarrassing drunk old racists who still say things like Rhodesia, Bombay and Rangers.

 

[The_Kincardine]

23 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

Partition is something very different, something very different

It isn't.  We're one nation as created in 1707 and if you slough off a part of it then it's partition.

Not that I'd expect you to understand this.

 

 

[The_Kincardine]

29 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

So.... Would you be happy to see a United Ireland?

Of course!  The two parts belong together.  As Mary McAleese said at an Orange lodge in County Cavan, "It is possible to be both Irish and British, possible to be both Orange and Irish".

 

[Antlion]

1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said:

Wanting to partition our unitary nation-state and using the justification that Scotland is a hang-over of England's imperial past is extremism.  And ignorant extremism at that.

Do you mean wanting to further partition our nation state? The UK has already partitioned itself. If you’re against partition, you must wish Northern Ireland to be reunited with Ireland? If so, then you’re the one keen to break up the UK (in addition to being a racist, an Islamophobe, and an eager proponent of alt-right extremism, which we already knew about). 

[The_Kincardine]

1 minute ago, CheeseBurger said:

If we're "one nation". Then why is this place called Scotland with it's own national flag? Wouldn't they have just done away with these names and flags?

That we are one nation is beyond dispute.  As it said in the AoU, "That the Two Kingdoms of Scotland and England shall upon the first day of May next ensuing the date hereof and forever after be United into One Kingdom by the Name of Great Britain."

[Antlion]

15 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

Of course!  The two parts belong together.  As Mary McAleese said at an Orange lodge in County Cavan, "It is possible to be both Irish and British, possible to be both Orange and Irish".

 

So you want to further break up the UK? Bit odd to condemn others for wanting to further break up the UK.

[The_Kincardine]

2 minutes ago, Antlion said:

Do you mean wanting to further partition our nation state? The UK has already partitioned itself. If you’re against partition, you must wish Northern Ireland to be reunited with Ireland? If so, then you’re the one keen to break up the UK (in addition to being a racist, an Islamophobe, and an eager proponent of alt-right extremism, which we already knew about). 

 

1 minute ago, Antlion said:

So you want to further break up the UK? Bit odd to condemn others for wanting to further break up the UK.

I haven't, of course, said that but then that has never stopped you making up shite.

[Antlion]

1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said:

I have many thousands of posts on here yet have said very little about Ireland though I do have a certain fondness for both the Orange Order and the Irish rugby team.  Both of which are, of course, whole-island organisations.

Thousands of pro-UK posts and “very little about Ireland” is par for the course for Little Britons, who cry in horror about the breaking up the UK whilst being emotionally unable to deal with the reality that the UK broke up decades ago. As for having a fondness for a loyalist organisation, that’s really no surprise given some of the extremist, far-right loons you’ve been caught championing in the past.