Antti Niemi Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Don't know why Koenig spent so much time querying the existence of the Best Buy phone booth. Of course it existed. Maybe not where Jay initially said it was, but she doesn't think the police at the time might have noticed if there wasn't actually a phone booth there? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I don't think Adnan or Jay killed her after listening to undisclosed I think it's some random that nobody even knows about, absolutely terrible work from the polis back in 99, so so many things that they should've done that they didn't Piss poor. I watched a documentary 'Central Park 5' on Netflix, great watch, recommend it, police attitudes very similar I think, I think they just wanted to prosecute Adnan as they thought he done it and they actively tried to get him put away instead of keeping an open mind and going down all avenues Fucking mindfuck of a case though 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 This has got me listening to a lot of true crime podcasts, loving them AJC breakdown is similar, not as good but still a good listen 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergie's no1 fan Posted July 29, 2015 Author Share Posted July 29, 2015 Don't know why Koenig spent so much time querying the existence of the Best Buy phone booth. Of course it existed. Maybe not where Jay initially said it was, but she doesn't think the police at the time might have noticed if there wasn't actually a phone booth there? Aye one of the lassies she speaks to stole from that Best Buy store and swore there weren't any pay phones inside or outside yet it turns out in the blue print for the building there was a bit allocated for the pay phones. It's hard to think back 15 years. I struggle to remember lay outs of shops that have changed over the years ect. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 This has got me listening to a lot of true crime podcasts, loving them AJC breakdown is similar, not as good but still a good listen Any particular recommendations? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Any particular recommendations? AJC Breakdown/Undisclosed/Missing Maura Murray (just started but sounds decent)/Generation Why, this talks about alot of cases and issues. Quite interesting listening if you're interested in the topic/True Murder, again it's very interesting if you're interested in the case they speak about, have listened to a few of them and went and looked into them myself afterwards. Love this sort of stuff. Can't wait for serial season 2. I've also got 'Who Killed Elsie Frost' that I've not listened to but it's In England so find it less interesting. Fascinated in America as a country so I generally find most of the cases interesting. Plus they all sound cool. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergie's no1 fan Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share Posted October 18, 2022 So he wasn't guilty after all. Really sad story all round then. Can he sue for wrongful conviction? Jay is a lying p***k. I wonder if it was her current boyfriend at the time, Don? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 On 03/07/2015 at 14:38, H_B said: I was left in no doubt whatsoever about his guilt though. I think he quite clearly did it. 10 hours ago, sergie's no1 fan said: So he wasn't guilty after all. Really sad story all round then. Can he sue for wrongful conviction? Jay is a lying p***k. I wonder if it was her current boyfriend at the time, Don? Shocked that Detournement was well off the mark. He's usually bang on with this conspiracy stuff too! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satoshi Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Some of the calls on this thread looking particularly rotten. I think some people, for whatever reason, have an aversion to the idea that miscarriages of justice happen - far more than many people realise. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bing Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Satoshi said: Some of the calls on this thread looking particularly rotten. I think some people, for whatever reason, have an aversion to the idea that miscarriages of justice happen - far more than many people realise. I think its more likely they listened to the podcast, considered the facts they were presented with as well as the interviews and formed an opinion. Why would they even listen to the podcast if they had a preconceived idea that everyone convicted is guilty, as debating that is exactly what the podcast is about. Its pretty easy not offer an opinion and come in 7 years later and point score after the acquittal. Edited October 19, 2022 by BingMcCrosby 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satoshi Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 26 minutes ago, BingMcCrosby said: I think its more likely they listened to the podcast, considered the facts they were presented with as well as the interviews and formed an opinion. Why would they even listen to the podcast if they had a preconceived idea that everyone convicted is guilty, as debating that is exactly what the podcast is about. Its pretty easy not offer an opinion and come in 7 years later and point score after the acquittal. There is no point scoring going on. I also listened to the podcast around the time it came out and thought he was not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Pretty surprised he was fully acquitted though, and it's almost certainly as a result of the podcast. Many similar cases are still not being heard. The subsequent seasons of Serial were not as good but still worth a listen. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bing Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Just now, Satoshi said: There is no point scoring going on. I also listened to the podcast around the time it came out and thought he was not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Pretty surprised he was fully acquitted though, and it's almost certainly as a result of the podcast. Many similar cases are still not being heard. The subsequent seasons of Serial were not as good but still worth a listen. Yet offered no opinion at the time Its absolutely point scoring, calling their opinions at the time "rotten". And guessing at an ulterior motive for them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satoshi Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, BingMcCrosby said: Yet offered no opinion at the time Its absolutely point scoring, calling their opinions at the time "rotten". And guessing at an ulterior motive for them. I did, just not on this site (as I wasn't a member then?) Surely I don't need to point out something so obvious? I have no interest in point scoring, sorry to disappoint. I honestly have no idea where you're coming from, or what your point is. It's a good podcast, and miscarriages of justice happen (and some people steadfastly refuse to believe in them). I'm sure any predictions from years ago would look rotten now, have a look at the future Scotland team thread. Maybe best to not take everything so personally. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bing Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Satoshi said: I did, just not on this site (as I wasn't a member then?) Surely I don't need to point out something so obvious? I have no interest in point scoring, sorry to disappoint. I honestly have no idea where you're coming from, or what your point is. It's a good podcast, and miscarriages of justice happen (and some people steadfastly refuse to believe in them). I'm sure any predictions from years ago would look rotten now, have a look at the future Scotland team thread. Maybe best to not take everything so personally. You absolutely do, as thats all that was. Its a plain as day. Everyone who happened to disagree with you had arrived at that because they "have an aversion to the idea that miscarriages of justice happen" rather than formed an opinion like you did. And their views were "rotten". How exactly is that not point scoring? Edited October 19, 2022 by BingMcCrosby 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 5 hours ago, Satoshi said: Some of the calls on this thread looking particularly rotten. I think some people, for whatever reason, have an aversion to the idea that miscarriages of justice happen - far more than many people realise. He could still have done it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satoshi Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 55 minutes ago, BingMcCrosby said: You absolutely do, as thats all that was. Its a plain as day. Everyone who happened to disagree with you had arrived at that because they "have an aversion to the idea that miscarriages of justice happen" rather than formed an opinion like you did. And their views were "rotten". How exactly is that not point scoring? You're just making stuff up, read my original post again. But I really see no value in continuing this conversation so if you are deeply offended at any of my posts and want to white knight about it - oh well I guess. Life goes on. 2 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: He could still have done it. Well of course he could. I didn't even say that he didn't. I don't think he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and the courts now agree - prosecution dropping all charges and an inmate being released? It's incredibly rare. Sadly, still a lot of innocent people languishing in jail (and guilty people free). -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 4 hours ago, BingMcCrosby said: I think its more likely they listened to the podcast, considered the facts they were presented with as well as the interviews and formed an opinion. Why would they even listen to the podcast if they had a preconceived idea that everyone convicted is guilty, as debating that is exactly what the podcast is about. Its pretty easy not offer an opinion and come in 7 years later and point score after the acquittal. You think posters on P&B gave careful consideration to something and reached a rational conclusion? That would be a significant deviation from how this site normally works. And a change for the worse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bing Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Satoshi said: You're just making stuff up, read my original post again. Im literally quoting you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 He could still have done it.He looks the type. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satoshi Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 7 hours ago, BingMcCrosby said: Im literally quoting you. You quoted part of a sentence, and put your own words around it to change its meaning. How thick do you think we are? To be clear, my original post said some of the views on this thread were rotten (they were) and that some people have an aversion to miscarriages of justice (they do). That's all. How you transposed this into a personal point scoring attack on everyone I disagree with (?!?) is solely on you and your warped mind. What a boring conversation this has been. Best not to take everything so personally and if you want to white knight you will have to do a lot better than this. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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