The-coo-shed Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Wins 6-2 6-1. Should have been a double bagel. The three games he lost were all on his serve! Plays Edmund next. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) Saw his first serve in stats for yesterdays match and they were a bit grim. Same again here? Impressive win nonetheless. Edited October 5, 2016 by Elixir 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-coo-shed Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 1 hour ago, Elixir said: Saw his first serve in stats for yesterdays match and they were a bit grim. Same again here? Impressive win nonetheless. Yeah his first serve was erractic. Must have been around 40-50%. He did win a lot of second serve points though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 On 04/10/2016 at 16:25, ayrmad said: At least he'll not need to worry about The Davis Cup, he needs to knock that on the head and concentrate on Grand Slams and trying for the top spot, even a short reign as No.1 would be amazing in this era of tennis. What rounds of the Davis Cup stop him from concentrating on Slams? 1st is played in March, QF after Wimbledon (he skipped), SF after US Open (he exited in the QF) and the FInal is after the WTF. I would say once making the final last year that became his sole focus, but it certainly didn't interfere with slam appearances. The Davis Cup has very little impact on his slams. If there is a surface change he will elect to skip. Post back surgery you'll have to say that hard courts are now his worst surface. His serve % dips low when he is protecting his back, much like at the tail end of last season. He has also won more matches than anyone else on tour this season. Djokovic and Thiem have 56 and Murray has 57. His return game was superb today, although his serving was erratic Kuznetsov really earned his breaks at the start of the first set with some superb hitting, Murray really should have been 4-0 down but his return game was on fire to make it 2-2. The first four games was immense quality. Kuznetsov won 14 of 44 points on his serve and most of them were blasted winners. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 6 hours ago, Loki said: What rounds of the Davis Cup stop him from concentrating on Slams? 1st is played in March, QF after Wimbledon (he skipped), SF after US Open (he exited in the QF) and the FInal is after the WTF. I would say once making the final last year that became his sole focus, but it certainly didn't interfere with slam appearances. The Davis Cup has very little impact on his slams. If there is a surface change he will elect to skip. Post back surgery you'll have to say that hard courts are now his worst surface. His serve % dips low when he is protecting his back, much like at the tail end of last season. He has also won more matches than anyone else on tour this season. Djokovic and Thiem have 56 and Murray has 57. His return game was superb today, although his serving was erratic Kuznetsov really earned his breaks at the start of the first set with some superb hitting, Murray really should have been 4-0 down but his return game was on fire to make it 2-2. The first four games was immense quality. Kuznetsov won 14 of 44 points on his serve and most of them were blasted winners. My post was more about only playing tennis where points are at stake rather than whether it did/didn't interfere with Grand Slams. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 16 hours ago, ayrmad said: My post was more about only playing tennis where points are at stake rather than whether it did/didn't interfere with Grand Slams. So Murray should have played the 250 event in Los Cabos instead of the Olympics? Or played Toronto? He played Monte Carlo this year instead of skipping it so he could skip Toronto, to allow him to play the Olympics. To get the top spot you can only use a finite amount of tournaments. 4 Slams, 8 Masters and 4 others. You can then count the ATP Finals if you qualify on top of that. Murray isn't even going to complete that. By the end of this year he will have competed in 4 Slams, 8 Masters and 2 others. These no pointers (Davis Cup and the Olympics) that he has entered really have had no real effect on his ranking or have impacted on his ability at the Slams. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Since he seems to love the clay so much these days do you think he'll keep playing at Monte Carlo from now on and continue to patch Toronto instead? He's already won the latter three times and if he was to win in Monte Carlo it would complete the set of clay Masters 1000 events. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 5 hours ago, Loki said: So Murray should have played the 250 event in Los Cabos instead of the Olympics? Or played Toronto? He played Monte Carlo this year instead of skipping it so he could skip Toronto, to allow him to play the Olympics. To get the top spot you can only use a finite amount of tournaments. 4 Slams, 8 Masters and 4 others. You can then count the ATP Finals if you qualify on top of that. Murray isn't even going to complete that. By the end of this year he will have competed in 4 Slams, 8 Masters and 2 others. These no pointers (Davis Cup and the Olympics) that he has entered really have had no real effect on his ranking or have impacted on his ability at the Slams. No, he could have had a rest and I know how many counters they have. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 (edited) On 05/10/2016 at 17:42, Loki said: Post back surgery you'll have to say that hard courts are now his worst surface. His serve % dips low when he is protecting his back, much like at the tail end of last season. He has also won more matches than anyone else on tour this season. Djokovic and Thiem have 56 and Murray has 57. His return game was superb today, although his serving was erratic Kuznetsov really earned his breaks at the start of the first set with some superb hitting, Murray really should have been 4-0 down but his return game was on fire to make it 2-2. The first four games was immense quality. Kuznetsov won 14 of 44 points on his serve and most of them were blasted winners. That will be true on any surface but his hard court service stats don't show a significant drop for games won on serve, 1st serve points won, 2nd serve points won, 1st serve %. Service game won % + Return game win % Overall Hard Clay Grass 2016 120.96 125.59 116.29 120.39 2015 115.07 113.65 120.43 113.40 2014 115.97 117.53 106.98 120.42 2013 115.54 117.57 92.64 119.33 2012 114.55 115.06 110.59 116.43 2011 116.54 117.83 114.92 114.56 2010 113.79 114.20 107.55 118.49 2009 118.60 120.72 109.85 119.66 2008 110.86 112.29 103.74 111.54 2007 112.32 111.67 117.10 0.00 2006 104.85 105.24 97.83 109.34 Edited October 7, 2016 by ayrmad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 He can't anticipate he is going to win all the time though can he? His schedule for this year for this year is fine. Your last point is rubbish. I can't even be bothered to rebuke it, as you'll just come back and say something equally as daft. As Mark Twain once said "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference". Elixir: I wouldn't have thought he would play three clay court masters next year. He seemed a bit flat for the French this year, so he will probably skip Monte Carlo as it's not a mandatory. But he will qualify for two exemptions next year, so he will be able to jiggle about his schedule a bit more. He can play Monte Carlo and skip Rome or Madrid. Anyway a solid win against Kyle, and he is through to face Ferrer. He has only lost once in their last nine matches. He has lost twice to him on hard courts - when he picked up an injury at the WTF and subsequently pulled out and a couple of years ago when he played three times in about three weeks. A resurgent Nadal Vs Murray in the final would be a treat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Loki said: He can't anticipate he is going to win all the time though can he? His schedule for this year for this year is fine. Your last point is rubbish. I can't even be bothered to rebuke it, as you'll just come back and say something equally as daft. As Mark Twain once said "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference". Elixir: I wouldn't have thought he would play three clay court masters next year. He seemed a bit flat for the French this year, so he will probably skip Monte Carlo as it's not a mandatory. But he will qualify for two exemptions next year, so he will be able to jiggle about his schedule a bit more. He can play Monte Carlo and skip Rome or Madrid. Anyway a solid win against Kyle, and he is through to face Ferrer. He has only lost once in their last nine matches. He has lost twice to him on hard courts - when he picked up an injury at the WTF and subsequently pulled out and a couple of years ago when he played three times in about three weeks. A resurgent Nadal Vs Murray in the final would be a treat. Go on rebuke it. Have to apologise for posting tables, on my laptop they're nice neat easy to read tables, on someone's mobile they're an eye bleed. Edited October 7, 2016 by ayrmad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-coo-shed Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Edmund match was good. His forehand is great when it's on fire. He is just a wee too inconsistent at the moment to win against the big players.Nadal lost to Dimitrov so it's either him or Raonic if Murray beats Ferrer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Dimitrov was utterly superb. A surprising result but he really should be further up the rankings. Maybe Vallverdu will finally be the coach to get the most out of Grigor. I think Edmund really should have taken the tie break, but Murray just chooses not to miss when the pressure is put on him. Another match with Raonic is a possibility. How many times this season? Five? Australian Open, Monte Carlo, Queens, Wimbledon and Cinci? I can't think of any others. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Anderson Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Solid again from Andy. Hope he wins this tourny. Edmund's power? wow the boy has somethimg there, excited to see there could be life after Andy. As for Dimitrov he blew Nadal off the court! If he keeps that form up he will beat anyone! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Really impressed with Edmund. If he can improve his consistency then he'll have a very good career IMO. Andy's currently making light work of the veteran David Ferrer. Currently a set and a break up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 A quite comfortable win in the end. Ferrer actually played as well as he could have to be honest, Murray was sublime. The drop lob Ferrer hit to break Murray was absolutely brilliant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Konta also into the final in China which moves her into the top 10 in the rankings, the first British women to do so since 1984. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Konta also into the final in China which moves her into the top 10 in the rankings, the first British women to do so since 1984. Radwanska won 6-4, 6-2. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Anderson Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Murray takes first set 6-4. Fancied Dimitrov to win this match... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Break up in the 2nd now too. Dimitrov likes hitting the net with his backhand doesn't he? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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