General Politics Thread

[jakedee]

Guy Verhofstadt is the enemy of nationalism and nation states. He is a founder member of the Spinelli Group - http://www.spinelligroup.eu/about-us. Here it's manifesto - http://www.spinelligroup.eu/sign-manifesto. "National solutions are solutions of the past. Our goal is a federal and post-national Europe, a Europe of the citizens."
https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Books/Europes-Last-Chance-European-States-Perfect-Union/0465096859
"In Europe's Last Chance, Guy Verhofstadt... provides the essential framework for understanding Europe today, laying bare the absurdity of a system in which each member state can veto legislation, opt in or out of the Euro, or close borders on a whim... The key, argues Verhofstadt, is to reform the European Union along the lines of America's federal government: a United States of Europe"
Verhofstadt wants Scotland to sign up to his Euro-nationalist project, including compulsory membership of the Eurozone. His aim is to end national independence. With "friends" like that him, who needs enemies?

A Euro-nationalist project which we would have the choice to either join or leave,a choice which we don't have just now.

[Bishop Briggs]

35 minutes ago, jakedee said:

A Euro-nationalist project which we would have the choice to either join or leave,a choice which we don't have just now.

If Scotland had voted Yes to independence in 2014, it would have voted to leave the EU as well as the UK. But the SNP tried to ignore the EU Commissioners' statements and letters that confirmed independence would have led to Scotexit.

This week, the Scottish Government published its EU policy. Basically, it wants the UK to facilitate Scotland's membership of the Single Market post Brexit. Only independent states can join the EEA. The policy just assumes that there would be free trade and freedom of movement with rUK too.  You couldn't make it up!

[jakedee]

If Scotland had voted Yes to independence in 2014, it would have voted to leave the EU as well as the UK. But the SNP tried to ignore the EU Commissioners' statements and letters that confirmed independence would have led to Scotexit.
This week, the Scottish Government published its EU policy. Basically, it wants the UK to facilitate Scotland's membership of the Single Market post Brexit. Only independent states can join the EEA. The policy just assumes that there would be free trade and freedom of movement with rUK too. You couldn't make it up!

So large manufacturers and certain sectors can have "special arrangements" but parts of the UK can't, yes you're right,you couldn't make it up.

[Bishop Briggs]

1 minute ago, jakedee said:

So large manufacturers and certain sectors can have "special arrangements" but parts of the UK can't, yes you're right,you couldn't make it up.

That's nonsense. Large manufacturers will not have special arrangements with the EU or EEA. The Brexit negotiations will start formally after Article 50 is invoked.

Have you even read the Scottish Government's Single Market proposals? It says that Scotland, as it is not a state, needs the UK to sponsor its Single Market membership. 

[jakedee]

That's nonsense. Large manufacturers will not have special arrangements with the EU or EEA. The Brexit negotiations will start formally after Article 50 is invoked.

Have you even read the Scottish Government's Single Market proposals? It says that Scotland, as it is not a state, needs the UK to sponsor its Single Market membership.

So Nissan were promised nothing,and just decided it's a good place to invest,even though the majority of the vehicles they make here are for the EU market and any future tariffs will be an extra cost to them.Are you really so naive to think that they and other similar companies would not just up sticks and go to where their biggest market,tariff free is ? ETA,and don't you think it's a sad state of affairs that a "Country" needs to ask permission from another to decide where and how it does business ?

[Bishop Briggs]

10 minutes ago, jakedee said:

So Nissan were promised nothing,and just decided it's a good place to invest,even though the majority of the vehicles they make here are for the EU market and any future tariffs will be an extra cost to them.Are you really so naive to think that they and other similar companies would not just up sticks and go to where their biggest market,tariff free is ? ETA,and don't you think it's a sad state of affairs that a "Country" needs to ask permission from another to decide where and how it does business ?

Canada's free trade deal with the EU and EEA will mean that 98% of the common external tariffs will not apply to Canada. For some strange reason, Sturgeon appears to think that UK, which has a huge trade deficit with the EU, will get a worse deal than Canada.

The Brexit negotiations will only start after Article 50 is invoked by the end of March. Sturgeon has published this bizarre proposal before the Government publishes its own Brexit plan at the start of next year. Don't you think that is a strange state of affairs?

[hehawhehaw]

8 hours ago, Baxter Parp said:

Scotland. welcome to hell. what a guyluvit

[Bishop Briggs]

1 minute ago, hehawhehaw said:

Scotland. welcome to hell. what a guyluvit

Verhofstadt is, of course wrong, about Scotland staying in the UK. Scotland will have to leave with the rest of the UK.

Scotland would have to gain independence and apply as a new entrant. Ironically, Scotland would have left the EU this year had the Yes campaign won in 2014.

[welshbairn]

46 minutes ago, jakedee said:

So Nissan were promised nothing,and just decided it's a good place to invest,even though the majority of the vehicles they make here are for the EU market and any future tariffs will be an extra cost to them.Are you really so naive to think that they and other similar companies would not just up sticks and go to where their biggest market,tariff free is ? ETA,and don't you think it's a sad state of affairs that a "Country" needs to ask permission from another to decide where and how it does business ?

Especially if they're already tempted by paying Eastern European workers a lot less in Romania or the Czech Republic than they have to over here.

[hehawhehaw]

20 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said:

Verhofstadt is, of course wrong, about Scotland staying in the UK. Scotland will have to leave with the rest of the UK.

Scotland would have to gain independence and apply as a new entrant. Ironically, Scotland would have left the EU this year had the Yes campaign won in 2014.

I know. He is just a shit stirrer.

[Bishop Briggs]

2 minutes ago, hehawhehaw said:

I know. He is just an anti-Brit shit stirrer.

FTFY.

[AUFC90]

Britain is shite.....at just about everything. They do make a mean missile though.

[jakedee]

Canada's free trade deal with the EU and EEA will mean that 98% of the common external tariffs will not apply to Canada. For some strange reason, Sturgeon appears to think that UK, which has a huge trade deficit with the EU, will get a worse deal than Canada.
The Brexit negotiations will only start after Article 50 is invoked by the end of March. Sturgeon has published this bizarre proposal before the Government publishes its own Brexit plan at the start of next year. Don't you think that is a strange state of affairs?

How long did this take to complete ? At least Sturgeon is being seen to do something,this we are not going to give a "running commentary"masks their inability to agree among themselves what they actually want.The conflicting statements given by different ministers shows this.Do I think it's a "strange state of affairs" to put forward a proposal to set out what can be done that's best for the Country she represents,no,i find it strange that the UK Government can reveal it's (or at least some of it's) plans to a private company,but will fight tooth and nail to deny parliament a say on it.

[Todders]

Britain is shite.....at just about everything. They do make a mean missile though.

And their cluster bombs are sevond to none. They rip through an 8 year old child like a hot knife through butter.

Makes ye proud, eh?

[jmothecat]

Michael Gove announces he is actually Princess Leia

[jmothecat]

[WaffenThinMint]

1 hour ago, jmothecat said:

Michael Gove announces he is actually Princess Leia
 

Which has to be the most macabre timed Tweet of the year:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38423963#share-tools

Star Wars actress Carrie Fisher 'suffers heart attack'

US actress Carrie Fisher, who played Princess Leia in the Star Wars films, is in a critical condition after suffering a heart attack during a flight, reports say.

She went into cardiac arrest on the London to LA flight, the LA Times said.

Passengers attempted to revive her with CPR and she was rushed to hospital when the plane landed after midday local time (20:00 GMT), the TMZ website said.

Fisher, 60, had been on tour promoting her latest book The Princess Diarist.

The heart attack happened about 15 minutes before the plane landed in LA, celebrity news website TMZ reported. A medic who was travelling on the plane administered CPR.

A law enforcement official told NBC that her condition was "not good".

United Airlines issued a statement saying that Flight 935 from London to Los Angeles was met on the ground by medical personnel after the crew reported that a passenger was "unresponsive", but did not name the passenger, Reuters reported.

One passenger has already reported she was unable to breathe unaided.

[welshbairn]

That'll do me.

Quote

You dance to the beat of your own drum, but you dance well.

I'm Han Solo. 

[Savage Henry]

That'll do me.

You dance to the beat of your own drum, but you dance well.

I'm Han Solo. 



There's always Tinder, mate. xx

[bob the tank]