DeeTillEhDeh Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Granny's right here. The Scottish Government does have some power to mitigate some of the worst effects of austerity but has chosen not to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 31 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Not looking for a pat on the back, just thinking that we can't ignore the most disadvantaged because certain decisions didn't go our way. I think we're right to do what we've done on the bedroom tax just as I think we're right to do what we're doing on tuition fees and free prescriptions. I agree with all of those as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shades75 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Granny's right here. The Scottish Government does have some power to mitigate some of the worst effects of austerity but has chosen not to. I think the Scottish government are damned if they do and damned if they don't. A Westminster government could not possibly see the Scottish Government mitigating austerity in any way that would cause an embarrassing comparison. They would cut the grant, and would be egged on by the voters of England, who already have been led to believe that we get too much. The Scottish taxpayer would end up paying more for the same return as those in RUK. Of course, the relentless right wing and corporate owned media would justify this and most would accept that. It's but one aspect of the constitutional clusterfuck we live in. Edited January 21, 2017 by Shades75 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 From a purely pro independence standpoint and not weighing in on the current situation, raising income tax at this point would send out all the wrong kinds of messages to those groups who need to be attracted to the independence cause. To put it bluntly the yes campaign at the last referendum had a glut of lefty leaning groups. I heard it said in 2014 from what could be termed middle class people (if not very bright middle class people) that they feared a "jakey takeover" Its those on the centre and the right that need attracting. Not saying thats right or wrong, but it is fact. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 From a purely pro independence standpoint and not weighing in on the current situation, raising income tax at this point would send out all the wrong kinds of messages to those groups who need to be attracted to the independence cause. To put it bluntly the yes campaign at the last referendum had a glut of lefty leaning groups. I heard it said in 2014 from what could be termed middle class people (if not very bright middle class people) that they feared a "jakey takeover" Its those on the centre and the right that need attracting. Not saying thats right or wrong, but it is fact. On a more general basis having a government that's broadly in line with the middle of the public as opposed to the extremes is probably a good thing in itself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 21, 2017 Author Share Posted January 21, 2017 7 hours ago, git-intae-thum said: From a purely pro independence standpoint and not weighing in on the current situation, raising income tax at this point would send out all the wrong kinds of messages to those groups who need to be attracted to the independence cause. There's no doubt in my mind that this is the main driving force in the SNP proposing such a terrible budget. It may be justifiable if we are going to get Independence in next couple of years but what if we don't? Will we do nothing to mitigate the worst effects of Tory policy for as long as their in control of Westminster regardless of the consequences? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 9 hours ago, git-intae-thum said: I heard it said in 2014 from what could be termed middle class people (if not very bright middle class people) that they feared a "jakey takeover" I have it on very good authority that a Tory MSP when canvassing one of the more affluent areas, suggested to an elderly female voter that she should vote no, because "it would be a bad thing if the country was run by potheads and people from Dundee" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 19 minutes ago, I'm Brian said: I have it on very good authority that a Tory MSP when canvassing one of the more affluent areas, suggested to an elderly female voter that she should vote no, because "it would be a bad thing if the country was run by potheads and people from Dundee" Divide and rule? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Just now, Antlion said: Divide and rule? Pretty much. Unfortunately for Mr Scott he was unknowingly speaking to an ardent yes voter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Sannox Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 I have it on very good authority that a Tory MSP when canvassing one of the more affluent areas, suggested to an elderly female voter that she should vote no, because "it would be a bad thing if the country was run by potheads and people from Dundee" A salient point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Glen Sannox said: A salient point. Quite. But a completely untrue spin by a compliant media to idiotic cockwombles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 On 20/01/2017 at 15:42, Granny Danger said: Raising income tax, . To what levels? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Baxter Parp said: To what levels? I would raise income tax by 1p. Estimated impact is about £500m in additional revenue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, Granny Danger said: I would raise income tax by 1p. For everybody? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Baxter Parp said: For everybody? I said previously that it should incorporate a rebate for folk below a certain limit if this were lawful. I would certainly increase tax more for folks in different bandings if we had the power to do so but I understand that those powers do not exist under the existing legislation. I am happy to be corrected if wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 18 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I said previously that it should incorporate a rebate for folk below a certain limit if this were lawful. I would certainly increase tax more for folks in different bandings if we had the power to do so but I understand that those powers do not exist under the existing legislation. I am happy to be corrected if wrong. So it's a wee bit more complicated then, right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Baxter Parp said: So it's a wee bit more complicated then, right? I never at any point said it was simple. You seem to be disagreeing for the sake of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 25 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I never at any point said it was simple. You seem to be disagreeing for the sake of it. No, I'm not disagreeing, I believe in a progressive tax system, I'm just saying that it's not as simple as just saying "raise income tax". Especially in Scotland's circumstances where those with a second home in England could simply claim that as their main residence and avoid the Scottish rate altogether. Then there's the fact that we would have to rely on HMRC to police the taxpayers when there's no appetite there to do so. Which makes things extremely difficult and raises the possibility of a complete disaster or at least an unpleasant outcome. Which the Yoons would love. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 I see Angus MacNeil is hopping on the fake news bandwagon:Just to balance it out, here's Bercow falling Michael Fallon 'stupid': 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, Sooky said: I see Angus MacNeil is hopping on the fake news bandwagon: Just to balance it out, here's Bercow falling Michael Fallon 'stupid': That's one hell of a blast radius that fucking hell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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