St Mirren v Greenock Morton Championship 16/4/16

[gmfc]

I'm not sure if it's more tragic that people still roll out this patter or that some Morton fans actually get angry about it.

I for one am not angry just showing the person for what they are.

[sergie's no1 fan]

Show yours if you want, but there's a high chance you'll get lifted.

 

There's a high chance nobody would even notice it.... because of how cold it will be   , honest   .

 

Common saying for you Paisley folk.

[sergie's no1 fan]

This has taken unexpected turn!

 

Sadly no bookies have any odds up yet for a red card to be shown although PP had a penalty to be scored at 7/2 and a penalty to be missed at 11/1, if you want to take a double punt.

 

If you said at the start of the season Morton will finish ahead of us I think nearly everyone would assume Morton would be in the playoffs! Just shows how shite we have been.

 

It's going to be a sentimental one for some Saints fans as this will be the last time we'll see Goody and Thommo at home, fair play to anyone who will go to Bigotfest on the last game of the season, I can't stomach watching them partying. 

[Scosha]

 

PP had a penalty to be scored at 7/2 and a penalty to be missed at 11/1, if you want to take a double punt.

 

With that clown Collum in charge thats well worth a punt. 

[LargsTON]

Actually, the most tragic thing is definitely people who genuinely believe it.

I'm looking at you, Dundee fans.

I still and always will believe it due to a phone call I received before it even became public knowledge. Don't know if I ever told you about it but if not I'll be glad to on Saturday (if I see you and I'm not too drunk)

[AyrshireTon]

No idea what happened to that post.

You are wrong though. My allegation is that Morton players have thrown games for financial gain.

My evidence is the individual results and form that tied in with the results. 

If you'd watched the team that season you'd know what went wrong.

Up to Christmas 2003 we'd been scoring for fun, but very few games were won to nil (we'd had a few 3-2 wins, and some others such as 6-4, 5-2, 6-1, 4-3 etc). Only five games before the New Year saw us keep a clean sheet, and only two after it.

After Christmas the goals for started to dry up, but the defence kept conceding. DDFR later admitted that in hindsight he should have shored up the defence but wasn't concerned given the entertainment on show.

Also Cowboy had ruled with an iron fist - imposing a drinking ban on the players (which likely had the opposite effect on morale), whilst Airdrie were having their spirits kept up with nights out at casinos and the like. The 6-1 gubbing at Hamilton was the start of the end - we only scored three more goals in the final five games, winning one and losing the rest (including a dreadful 4-1 home defeat to Stenny).

Somewhere in among that came a rumour about betting. It was nonsense, but nonsense enough to unsettle the club and it never recovered from that.

 

But don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

[LargsTON]

If you'd watched the team that season you'd know what went wrong.

Up to Christmas 2003 we'd been scoring for fun, but very few games were won to nil (we'd had a few 3-2 wins, and some others such as 6-4, 5-2, 6-1, 4-3 etc). Only five games before the New Year saw us keep a clean sheet, and only two after it.

After Christmas the goals for started to dry up, but the defence kept conceding. DDFR later admitted that in hindsight he should have shored up the defence but wasn't concerned given the entertainment on show.

Also Cowboy had ruled with an iron fist - imposing a drinking ban on the players (which likely had the opposite effect on morale), whilst Airdrie were having their spirits kept up with nights out at casinos and the like. The 6-1 gubbing at Hamilton was the start of the end - we only scored three more goals in the final five games, winning one and losing the rest (including a dreadful 4-1 home defeat to Stenny).

Somewhere in among that came a rumour about betting. It was nonsense, but nonsense enough to unsettle the club and it never recovered from that.

But don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

In your opinion it was nonsense mate. I had it confirmed again from a source close to a player involved only a couple of weeks ago.

[AyrshireTon]

In your opinion it was nonsense mate. I had it confirmed again from a source close to a player involved only a couple of weeks ago.

Too many ifs and buts in that scenario.

Someone betting on Airdrie winning the league only works if they actually win it (Hamilton were in the running too and there'd be no guarantee Airdrie would win their games). Also, how would you go about ensuring your teammates don't f**k it up by continuing to win matches?

Anyway, back to Saturday.

Be nice to see a win, but I'm going in hope more than expectation. The only thing is that St. Mirren aren't struggling as badly as before. We usually screw up when facing struggling teams.

[cornbeef]

Another score draw... then 2 games against the play off teams- so who knows how this season will finish (in terms of us/St Mirren/ Queens)

 

Looking forward to Saturday, but like AT, not expecting too much.

 

edit to add... is a cameo appearance by Peaso a possibility ?

[LargsTON]

Too many ifs and buts in that scenario.

Someone betting on Airdrie winning the league only works if they actually win it (Hamilton were in the running too and there'd be no guarantee Airdrie would win their games). Also, how would you go about ensuring your teammates don't f**k it up by continuing to win matches?

I'm not going to name names or suggest for a minute there was a concerted effort by the team to throw games. All I am saying is there was a speculative bet placed on Airdrie to win the league. Players have inside info and if we as fans could see it all unravelling then you can be sure players could do. And of course Airdrie strengthened significantly around the time the alleged bet was placed. Now if I was a heavy gambler with serious debt..its one name I've been told constantly throughout this saga. A former Largs Thistle player was also part of that squad and he had loose lips to say the least.

[RussellV1]

Anyone heard anything about the Renfrewshire cup final that never was?

[Dunning1874]

I still and always will believe it due to a phone call I received before it even became public knowledge. Don't know if I ever told you about it but if not I'll be glad to on Saturday (if I see you and I'm not too drunk)

 

I look forward to it, though I'm guessing we will be drunk since I assume you're heading straight to Paisley rather than Greenock first?

 

I just can't see any sense in it. It's easy to say with hindsight, but the weakness was always there to see - the defence was a disaster area and was being bailed out week after week by an attacking trio of Williams, Weatherson and Maisano who were in outrageous form. We conceded 24 goals in the first 18 games and 29 goals in the second 18 games - that's not a massive decline in form. The defence more or less conceded goals at the same rate as they had all season.

 

Had McCormack chosen to strengthen the defence and add a bit of depth to the attack in January when Rae gave him the option to we'd have stumbled across the line despite the loss of form in attack, as it was he chose to persist with the squad he had - only realising his mistake in February when all he could get was Chris McLeod. John McCormack's complacency and rank incompetence in persisting with an utterly mince defence cost us the league and promotion, nothing else.

 

All it took was a decline in our ridiculously prolific goalscoring form in the second half of the season, partly brought on by injuries and partly brought on by teams figuring out how to play against us. From scoring 44 goals in the first 18 games, we scored 22 in the second 18. That isn't indicative of players chucking it, that's indicative of players going through preposterously good form then losing it. The attack stopped being ridiculously brilliant and the defence continued to be every bit as shite, there's really nothing more to it.

 

In any case, our form started to dive in January with a 1-0 defeat at Dumbarton, the beginning of a six game winless run. Even by the 31st of January, three games into that run, Airdrie were in 6th place with only 1 win in their last 8 games. Why would any Morton players bet on Airdrie to win the league in those circumstances, when there were four teams above them in superior form to bet on?

 

If the argument is that Morton players decided to throw the league before our own poor form started, they wouldn't have been betting on Airdrie to win it. If the argument is that Morton players only decided to throw the league when Airdrie when started their unbeaten run, Morton's form had already collapsed long before that.

[AyrshireTon]

Another score draw... then 2 games against the play off teams- so who knows how this season will finish (in terms of us/St Mirren/ Queens)

 

Looking forward to Saturday, but like AT, not expecting too much.

 

edit to add... is a cameo appearance by Peaso a possibility ?

I'd prefer a cameo from Samuel given that he's scored our only Derby goal this season.

[Dunning1874]

Anyway, Saturday. St. Mirren's home form has been excellent under Rae, the only teams we've beaten away from home this season are the relegation battlers and joke outfit in Livingston, Alloa, Dumbarton & Hibs. That's not encouraging, but at least all the games have been tight.

 

For the love of f**k, let's have two central midfielders in central midfield and two wide midfielders out wide to improve on the shambles that was the January 2nd game.

 

McMullan hat-trick please.

[Dindeleux]

In your opinion it was nonsense mate. I had it confirmed again from a source close to a player involved only a couple of weeks ago.

I'm not going to name names or suggest for a minute there was a concerted effort by the team to throw games. All I am saying is there was a speculative bet placed on Airdrie to win the league. Players have inside info and if we as fans could see it all unravelling then you can be sure players could do. And of course Airdrie strengthened significantly around the time the alleged bet was placed. Now if I was a heavy gambler with serious debt..its one name I've been told constantly throughout this saga. A former Largs Thistle player was also part of that squad and he had loose lips to say the least.

The plot thickens.

[AyrshireTon]

The plot thickens.

I look forward to posting shite on the Ayrshire Derby threads next season.

[LargsTON]

The plot thickens.

None of what I posted changes the fact that you haven't a scooby what you're talking about.

[Cowshed118]

Why is a Killie fan posting on a Remfrewshire derby thread about something that happened 16 years ago, isit really that bad supporting Kilmarnock that you have to talk shite on a thread involving two teams from a league your team isnt in ?

[Dindeleux]

Why is a Killie fan posting on a Remfrewshire derby thread about something that happened 16 years ago, isit really that bad supporting Kilmarnock that you have to talk shite on a thread involving two teams from a league your team isnt in ?

Yes.

[Cowshed118]

Yes.

Suppose so