#BothVotesSNP

[NotThePars]

Whats wings up to? I was blocked ages ago, thankfully, but I'd enjoy a wee breakdown.

Started off a vintage week claiming he had become a woman and all abuse at him was misogynistic and transphobic and ended with him throwing his toys out the pram and writing pissy blog posts about the Greens stopping independence for a generation and holding the SNP hostage.

[Savage Henry]

Started off a vintage week claiming he had become a woman and all abuse at him was misogynistic and transphobic and ended with him throwing his toys out the pram and writing pissy blog posts about the Greens stopping independence for a generation and holding the SNP hostage.

Also became involved in a tedious "debate" with Limmy and their respective sycophants about nothing at all.

[NotThePars]

Also became involved in a tedious "debate" with Limmy and their respective sycophants about nothing at all.

Limmy openly saying he was at it about it and there were still folk earnestly debating it with him.

[Mr Bairn]

Absolutely hilarious to see the SNP fanboys sending twitter abuse to Greens for having the audacity to run in Edinburgh Central. They can't bear to accept that the Conservatives are the most popular party in the beautiful area of our capital city.

[Savage Henry]

Limmy openly saying he was at it about it and there were still folk earnestly debating it with him.

I'm not really sure. Limmy seems a bit batshit mental when it comes to Twitter, and not in a good way.

[TonMan]

Absolutely hilarious to see the SNP fanboys sending twitter abuse to Greens for having the audacity to run in Edinburgh Central. They can't bear to accept that the Conservatives are the most popular party in the beautiful area of our capital city.

 

There's a decent chance that the SNP would have won it without the Greens, but at the same time I think it's hypocritical of the SNP to criticise the Greens for running when such criticisms are really similar to the shite Labour was spouting in 2015 with their "Vote SNP get Tory" nonsense. All parties are entitled to stand wherever they want, and the SNP don't have the god given right to anyone's vote. Thankfully it's only some people doing it, but Wings over Scotland and a few similar types seem to be riled up at the prospect of anyone who supports independence voting anyone except SNP.

[Mr Bairn]

There's a decent chance that the SNP would have won it without the Greens, but at the same time I think it's hypocritical of the SNP to criticise the Greens for running when such criticisms are really similar to the shite Labour was spouting in 2015 with their "Vote SNP get Tory" nonsense. All parties are entitled to stand wherever they want, and the SNP don't have the god given right to anyone's vote. Thankfully it's only some people doing it, but Wings over Scotland and a few similar types seem to be riled up at the prospect of anyone who supports independence voting anyone except SNP.

The way some SNP types have spun it on twitter is that people in Edinburgh central are generically programmed to vote SNP and the greens even daring to bother standing is some kind of moral hazard.

Here's an crazy idea, if they had convinced me and 305 other honourable men and ladies of Edinburgh central to vote for them instead of the tories then we wouldn't be having this conversation. Alas, they didn't.

[mjw]

Here's an crazy idea, if they had convinced me and 305 other honourable men and ladies of Edinburgh central to vote for them instead of the tories then we wouldn't be having this conversation. Alas, they didn't.

You were voting Tory for the 'scenes' if labour came third.

The crazy idea is kidding on anyone would have convinced you to vote another way.

[topcat(The most tip top)]

Absolutely hilarious to see the SNP fanboys sending twitter abuse to Greens for having the audacity to run in Edinburgh Central. They can't bear to accept that the Conservatives are the most popular party in the beautiful area of our capital city.

Although probably the most unpopular as well.

[Peppino Impastato]

There's a decent chance that the SNP would have won it without the Greens, but at the same time I think it's hypocritical of the SNP to criticise the Greens for running when such criticisms are really similar to the shite Labour was spouting in 2015 with their "Vote SNP get Tory" nonsense. All parties are entitled to stand wherever they want, and the SNP don't have the god given right to anyone's vote. Thankfully it's only some people doing it, but Wings over Scotland and a few similar types seem to be riled up at the prospect of anyone who supports independence voting anyone except SNP.

it's not cause the principle of them standing, its the practicality of it. If you support independence it's damaging to the independence cause therefore stupid as f**k.

That's a simple undeniable fact.

[Savage Henry]

There's a decent chance that the SNP would have won it without the Greens, but at the same time I think it's hypocritical of the SNP to criticise the Greens for running when such criticisms are really similar to the shite Labour was spouting in 2015 with their "Vote SNP get Tory" nonsense. All parties are entitled to stand wherever they want, and the SNP don't have the god given right to anyone's vote. Thankfully it's only some people doing it, but Wings over Scotland and a few similar types seem to be riled up at the prospect of anyone who supports independence voting anyone except SNP.

It also assumes that the only reason to vote SNP (or indeed Green) is independence, and by extension it implies that every other issue is a means to an end.

People can't complain about a block unionist vote for the Tories whilst at the same time bizarrely arguing that the Greens should have stood by and let the SNP manipulate the results. The Greens and the SNP are not the same. The assumption that all the Green votes would have gone to the SNP is as self-centred and myopic as any nonsense Wings has ever come out with.

[AUFC90]

It also assumes that the only reason to vote SNP (or indeed Green) is independence, and by extension it implies that every other issue is a means to an end.

People can't complain about a block unionist vote for the Tories whilst at the same time bizarrely arguing that the Greens should have stood by and let the SNP manipulate the results. The Greens and the SNP are not the same. The assumption that all the Green votes would have gone to the SNP is as self-centred and myopic as any nonsense Wings has ever come out with.

I reckon it's fair to assume that most of them would have jumped to the SNP. SNP folk who are berating the greens are only fringe nutters, like Fuzzy Afro, who most people take no notice of.

[Savage Henry]

I reckon it's fair to assume that most of them would have jumped to the SNP. SNP folk who are berating the greens are only fringe nutters, like Fuzzy Afro, who most people take no notice of.

Indeed.

It's hard to shake the idea that for some SNP voters - the lunatic fringe - everything the party pledges is a means to the end goal of Independence, and they'd happily jettison all principles for that aim.

[Peppino Impastato]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14419579.Watch__Greens_leader_Harvie_cautions_against_early_re_run_of_independence_referendum/

Yeah that's the wos line. A quote from harvie in the herald. It's not me that's deluded, I'm following the greens line on what the greens policy is, crazy thing to do I know

[Peppino Impastato]

It also assumes that the only reason to vote SNP (or indeed Green) is independence, and by extension it implies that every other issue is a means to an end.

People can't complain about a block unionist vote for the Tories whilst at the same time bizarrely arguing that the Greens should have stood by and let the SNP manipulate the results. The Greens and the SNP are not the same. The assumption that all the Green votes would have gone to the SNP is as self-centred and myopic as any nonsense Wings has ever come out with.

It'scclearly the case that most would, your position is just factually wrong as well as being grossly arrogant.

[AUFC90]

Indeed.

It's hard to shake the idea that for some SNP voters - the lunatic fringe - everything the party pledges is a means to the end goal of Independence, and they'd happily jettison all principles for that aim.

I'll vote SNP until independence unless they seriously f**k up.

[AUFC90]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14419579.Watch__Greens_leader_Harvie_cautions_against_early_re_run_of_independence_referendum/Yeah that's the wos line. A quote from harvie in the herald. It's not me that's deluded, I'm following the greens line on what the greens policy is, crazy thing to do I know

And you're still wrong. Funny that.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

"Vote Green, Get Tory".

Sounds familiar . . .

[vikingTON]

The Greens are entitled to stand where they want, but choosing to field one of just three constituency candidates in a multi-party marginal, in which the Tory leader was standing and where they had zero chance of winning was a spectacular own-goal. The Greens had a full swathe of the country - the Dundee seats, Glasgow seats, much of west-central Scotland now - where they could have actually been competitive on their campaign agenda. Harvie could well take Glasgow Kelvin next time round. Whether people like it or not, that constituency decision will cost the Greens some goodwill; in terms of the list vote the Greens don't have a case to answer.

 

In terms of the overall vote, it is worth noting that at no point did the Greens campaign to be a 'kingmaker' in Holyrood - rather, they set their pitch as being willing to scrutinise an SNP majority government, That was their message: indeed, our forum's resident Georgios Samaras impersonator started a plea for Green support by assuming that the SNP would secure a majority. I'm pretty sure that more than a few split voters woke up on Friday feeling content that their constituency MSP would be working towards forming the administration that they preferred all along, but rather peeved about the idea that the Scottish Government may have to run its key policy decisions past a ginger VL who wants to know what impact the Government's policies will have upon some bullshit, ecological non-issue.

[Mr Bairn]

Ross Greer is literally the Greens version of Ad Lib who has ended up getting elected

It can be argued that the SNP losing central helps the greens. It played a key role in them losing their majority and thus helps the greens get concessions to get them to prop up the SNP government at budgets