parsforlife Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Reports said that the night before Liam Fee died they googled 'can wives stay together in prison'. It just doesn't bear thinking about. Always feel uncomfortable with the 'look what they googled' act, despite the façade its impossible to give these searches proper context. It really shouldn't be occuring in a good justice system. It's pretty obvious their actions make them horrible people who will face severe sentencing, hand-picked out of context Google searches change nothing in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 31, 2016 Author Share Posted May 31, 2016 How many crimes have been committed in the last, say, five years by people on bail for rape or murder/attempted murder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 How many crimes have been committed in the last, say, five years by people on bail for rape or murder/attempted murder? On bail for murder will be next to nil. The number of people on bail for murder at any given time will be one or two at the most. Attempted murder is one where people quite regularly get bail. It is also something that many, many people are charged with on petition but hardly any are convicted of. They'll generally later have it knocked down to some form or other of assault with an aggravation (injury, severe injury, permanent disfigurement, danger of life, something like that). Rape is one where people are mostly granted bail as well, depending on the circumstances. And, again, these cases can disappear of in numerous directions. Quite often if someone is arrested for an alleged rape they'll appear in court before the investigation has really got off the ground and long before detailed examination of the evidence has been done. These cases can take a long time to come together. The timescales for getting them to trial are relatively short. These things don't go together well. As far as your actual questions go, that's a great idea for a freedom of information request to the Crown Office. But they'll just come back and say they don't hold the data or that it would cost too much to establish an answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 31, 2016 Author Share Posted May 31, 2016 On bail for murder will be next to nil. The number of people on bail for murder at any given time will be one or two at the most. Attempted murder is one where people quite regularly get bail. It is also something that many, many people are charged with on petition but hardly any are convicted of. They'll generally later have it knocked down to some form or other of assault with an aggravation (injury, severe injury, permanent disfigurement, danger of life, something like that). Rape is one where people are mostly granted bail as well, depending on the circumstances. And, again, these cases can disappear of in numerous directions. Quite often if someone is arrested for an alleged rape they'll appear in court before the investigation has really got off the ground and long before detailed examination of the evidence has been done. These cases can take a long time to come together. The timescales for getting them to trial are relatively short. These things don't go together well. As far as your actual questions go, that's a great idea for a freedom of information request to the Crown Office. But they'll just come back and say they don't hold the data or that it would cost too much to establish an answer. I did a cursory Google and it seems that while you can find statistics on the number and nature of offences committed by people on bail, you can't find out what they were on bail for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stimpy Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I have worked with a few student social workers either doing placement or working for agencies and almost none of them want to work in children and family services, the conveyer belt of fresh workers will dry up and stretch the service even further. You'd think everything was linked up so the second time they were reported to social services because of the bairns injuries it would flag up the first time they were reported but they just kept saying the kid was clumsy and self harming and they didn't appear to be challenged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Horrendous case. Some of the stuff they did to all three children, let alone the murder of Liam, is almost beyond belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smpar Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Watched an interview with the staff of the nursery Liam went to. They said he was a happy wee boy just playing along until the mother turned up to pick him up and he just had a look of complete fear on his face, they reported it the next day. It must have been horrible for them to hear all this, but fair play to them for doing their bit in trying to help someone who obviously needed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Watched an interview with the staff of the nursery Liam went to. They said he was a happy wee boy just playing along until the mother turned up to pick him up and he just had a look of complete fear on his face, they reported it the next day. It must have been horrible for them to hear all this, but fair play to them for doing their bit in trying to help someone who obviously needed it. My missus works in Social Work and has said that a fairly hefty chunk of reports of abuse come from schools and nurseries, they are often first to spot any injuries or drastic changes in behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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