Monkey Tennis Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said: Wait a minute,do you really think if sevco didn't fly the butchers apron and didn't have orange tops that would help? It would help with severeng the perceived association between the club and Protestantism. It would help in turn with marginalising sectarianism. So, yes. As part of a concerted effort to dismantle divisive elements, it would help. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainbowrising Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 31 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said: Wait a minute,do you really think if sevco didn't fly the butchers apron and didn't have orange tops that would help? The thing about orange tops is that it was instigated by fans. Year on year even after liquidation of the old club the key question at any AGM was 'when is the club getting Orange tops'. It wasnt because they like the colour! Sure enough they bend and have Orange tops (in honour of their Dutch players...I am supposed to believe this). And so it goes, on and on. They have reduced wearing a football strip to a statement of religious bigotry for a serious hard core (I refuse to call it a minority). So, yeah not doing it doesnt stop them but it clearly frustrates the f**k out of them. What did the club do... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Public menace Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 What’s all this “butchers apron” pish? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainbowrising Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Public menace said: What’s all this “butchers apron” pish? Reference to the Union Jack. British Empire/Ireland/blood shed etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8MileBU Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 21 minutes ago, stressball said: Quite the facade to keep up for what appears to be 8 months at the least from what others have said. Quite indeed, but we’ve already seen Craineybhoy (or something like that?) going private then deleting their account after making a balls-up and being outed as the person behind some ‘Rangers fan’ account that was top-to-bottom racist posts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, rainbowrising said: The thing about orange tops is that it was instigated by fans. Year on year even after liquidation of the old club the key question at any AGM was 'when is the club getting Orange tops'. It wasnt because they like the colour! Sure enough they bend and have Orange tops (in honour of their Dutch players...I am supposed to believe this). And so it goes, on and on. They have reduced wearing a football strip to a statement of religious bigotry for a serious hard core (I refuse to call it a minority). So, yeah not doing it doesnt stop them but it clearly frustrates the f**k out of them. What did the club do... The wearing of Orange by fans at the 2000 Cup final was supposedly in honour of the Dutch players. The emergence of the Orange away kit came a little later and I don't think there was much pretence that it was anything other than a commercial decision because they knew the colour would be popular with fans. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 The thing about orange tops is that it was instigated by fans. Year on year even after liquidation of the old club the key question at any AGM was 'when is the club getting Orange tops'. It wasnt because they like the colour! Sure enough they bend and have Orange tops (in honour of their Dutch players...I am supposed to believe this). And so it goes, on and on. They have reduced wearing a football strip to a statement of religious bigotry for a serious hard core (I refuse to call it a minority). So, yeah not doing it doesnt stop them but it clearly frustrates the f**k out of them. What did the club do...Why don't they do a green top to honour their Irish players? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Brees Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Why don't they do a green top to honour their Irish players?Think they’d rather go full linfield. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainbowrising Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Romeo said: 12 minutes ago, rainbowrising said: The thing about orange tops is that it was instigated by fans. Year on year even after liquidation of the old club the key question at any AGM was 'when is the club getting Orange tops'. It wasnt because they like the colour! Sure enough they bend and have Orange tops (in honour of their Dutch players...I am supposed to believe this). And so it goes, on and on. They have reduced wearing a football strip to a statement of religious bigotry for a serious hard core (I refuse to call it a minority). So, yeah not doing it doesnt stop them but it clearly frustrates the f**k out of them. What did the club do... Why don't they do a green top to honour their Irish players? I think that brings us back to some of them thinking Kentucky Blue grass meant the pitch would turn blue instead of green There is a serious population of fans in that stadium that just hate. Pure and simple. Just hate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 13 minutes ago, Public menace said: What’s all this “butchers apron” pish? The butchers apron has more blood on it than any other flag in the world but it's not offensive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 31 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: It would help with severeng the perceived association between the club and Protestantism. It would help in turn with marginalising sectarianism. So, yes. As part of a concerted effort to dismantle divisive elements, it would help. Monkey I think it would make you feel better but it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference to the rangers support. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Just now, wastecoatwilly said: Monkey I think it would make you feel better but it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference to the rangers support. I think an announcement that the club would no longer be carrying such symbols would spark a huge response from lots of their fans. Don't you, seriously? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: I think an announcement that the club would no longer be carrying such symbols would spark a huge response from lots of their fans. Don't you, seriously? You would need to do it across Scottish football you can't single one club out,Banning a flag won't stop it and how would you go about banning a colour? It's absolutely ridiculous. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 minute ago, wastecoatwilly said: You would need to do it across Scottish football you can't single one club out,Banning a flag won't stop it and how would you go about banning a colour? It's absolutely ridiculous. Nobody is talking about a ban, but you. I'm suggesting that the club make particular decisions about direction. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8MileBU Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 27 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: The wearing of Orange by fans at the 2000 Cup final was supposedly in honour of the Dutch players. The emergence of the Orange away kit came a little later and I don't think there was much pretence that it was anything other than a commercial decision because they knew the colour would be popular with fans. This is one of those ‘your half right’ type things. Whilst there’s no point denying the staunch element were delighted by the orange shirt and what the colours mean, there were as much if not more who didn’t give a hoot about the Orange Order or anything religious, but were absolutely delighted at the outrage and seethe it brought out in the green & greys. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, 8MileBU said: This is one of those ‘your half right’ type things. Whilst there’s no point denying the staunch element were delighted by the orange shirt and what the colours mean, there were as much if not more who didn’t give a hoot about the Orange Order or anything religious, but were absolutely delighted at the outrage and seethe it brought out in the green & greys. That's not much of a defence of the decision. I'm no Celtic fan, but I think it's pretty disgusting that this route has been taken. Sectarianism as banter eh? What are you guys like? Edited July 20, 2020 by Monkey Tennis 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Nobody is talking about a ban, but you. I'm suggesting that the club make particular decisions about direction. Which would lead to things being phased out but never gone. Have you heard the one about the frog and the scorpion? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heliums Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, 8MileBU said: This is one of those ‘your half right’ type things. Whilst there’s no point denying the staunch element were delighted by the orange shirt and what the colours mean, there were as much if not more who didn’t give a hoot about the Orange Order or anything religious, but were absolutely delighted at the outrage and seethe it brought out in the green & greys. "I'm not racist. I'm just burning this cross and wearing this cone-shaped white headdress to enjoy the outrage it provokes." Edited July 20, 2020 by Mr Heliums 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said: Which would lead to things being phased out but never gone. Correct Willy. The colour Orange would still exist. Take oranges for example. They'd probably continue to be chiefly Orange in colour. I've clearly not thought this through as thoroughly as your very fine self. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Most nazi's only followed Hitler because it annoyed the brits, was a good laugh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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