dogmc Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 I think you would hard pressed to say Gerrard at some point wasnt world class, he dragged somewhat mediocre teams to cup finals and won some of them, including the european cup. Would have been interesting to see how he would have got on at a top team in terms of players, could have been more of a cog perhaps but we will never know really. World class players can perform in international football. Gerrard dud nothing even remotely world class in internationals even against mediocre opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 World class players can perform in international football. Gerrard dud nothing even remotely world class in internationals even against mediocre opponents. Did he not have a decent goals record? I might well be making that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 21 goals in 114 caps. Not horrible. Not great either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 21 goals in 114 caps. Not horrible. Not great either. That's pretty good for a midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueDiamond Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 21 goals in 114 caps. Not horrible. Not great either. That's not far off our two top international strikers!! both of whom were described as world class!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 11 hours ago, 8MileBU said: Did you manage to get to one of the games in London you mentioned last week HM? Got to West Ham and Southampton (unfortunately) and missed Arsenal (very annoying). Still got a few coming up that I'll hopefully have a chance of getting to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sx Drugz N Martin Jol Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Gerrard said "this does not slip" then slipped and cost Liverpool the league. Absolutely sensational storytelling right there. Think the draw with palace done more damage. Gerrard was without doubt the best British midfielder the premiership has ever seen. If you don't like him as a person fair enough but to say he was not world class and overatted is stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Think the draw with palace done more damage.Gerrard was without doubt the best British midfielder the premiership has ever seen. If you don't like him as a person fair enough but to say he was not world class and overatted is stupidity. The league was already pretty much lost come the Palace game - that just made it all the funnier. They were desperate to rack up more goals due City's much better GD that season. Slippy G cost them the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 That's not far off our two top international strikers!! both of whom were described as world class!! Law scored 30 in 50 odd matches with Scotland. Think thats a bit more impressive than taking pens n free kicks for England against often poor opposition. Gerrard used to disappear in games against even competent opponents (like many of his colleagues tbf) hence their indifferent record at tourneys despite their 'world class' players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killie_lad Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 6 hours ago, dogmc said: World class players can perform in international football. Gerrard dud nothing even remotely world class in internationals even against mediocre opponents. aye messi is shite right enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 It annoys me when people use team performances and results to have a go at individuals.Not even on about Gerrard here. But like KL has said you always get the Messi will never be the greatest unless he wins something with Argentina... Lot of shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sx Drugz N Martin Jol Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Can't judge him on what he's done for England. The whole England team were piss poor and never lived up to the hype created by the English media. For me he was a special player, never really had a weakness and had the ability to change games at important times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Bang into claiming Messi isn't all that if he can't win anything with Argentina after Ronaldo went off injured and coached his team to the Euros this year. What a boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sx Drugz N Martin Jol Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Exactly. Messi isn't the level of player Maradona was because he hasn't won a world cup ..... it's bullshit!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudu Dahan pal Posted December 13, 2016 Author Share Posted December 13, 2016 No one even mentioned messi. Messi not winning a trophy at international level doesn't change the fact that Gerrard was overrated and not even the best midfielder Liverpool have had in the last 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sx Drugz N Martin Jol Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 I was giving an example. Nah I've got to disagree with you, toss up between him and king Kenny for the clubs best ever player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Stewart Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Did Gerrard not get punted out to the right wing when Alonso and Mascherano were fit because both were superior central midfielders in the role Liverpool required? Gerrard was a very good player at his peak, and was capable of brilliant performances driving the ball through midfield, but he lacked any semblance of tactical discipline, constantly smashed long diagonals out of the park when simple passes were available (See also Rooney, W. for both of these) and was far too selfish a player to ever be considered world class. Good though he was, he never consistently reached the level of Vieira, Keane, Scholes, Lampard, Alonso, or Makelele, and I'd have taken any of those players before Gerrard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudu Dahan pal Posted December 13, 2016 Author Share Posted December 13, 2016 As I've said Xabi Alonso is a better player than Gerrard was. It's not even disputable. Alonso has won the league in Spain, won the cup in Spain, won the champions league with Real Madrid and Liverpool, won the league with Bayern, won the cup with Bayern, won the European super cup twice, won the World Cup, won the Euros twice. Gerrard couldn't even win the premier league and literally let it slip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sx Drugz N Martin Jol Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Good player can play anywhere and all that. So what he's won with different clubs make him a better player??? f**k Gerrard has never won the SPL or Scottish cup does that make Barry Ferguson a better player...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudu Dahan pal Posted December 13, 2016 Author Share Posted December 13, 2016 Gerrard had an opportunity to move to a different and bigger club who he'd have won league titles with and decided to remain at Liverpool. Alonso moved onto bigger and better things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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