WILLIEA Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Seen it postulated that Davis white knighting porno Green and threatening to resign is a " get out of jail " ploy to escape the cluster*ck he has helped create. Nothing would surprise me! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Why would the EU have any say in what is and what isn't an independent state? They don't.They can decide to recognise it as such or not.some governments (which the EU has) recognise countries that others don't: eg somaliland or Taiwan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Ireland to officially get a veto over any EU deal. 'If the offer is unacceptable to Ireland then it's unacceptable to the EU' says Donald Tusk.Reckon the penny is dropping with some British politicians yet?Also, RBS closing 62 branches #bettertogether Surely British politicians should know that every member has a veto since they never stopped banging on about it during the indy ref. Unfortunately the British government haven't the faintest idea what they are doing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 2, 2017 Author Share Posted December 2, 2017 Ireland to officially get a veto over any EU deal. And quite right too. Ireland did not vote for this mess. It's good to see the EU looking after one of their own. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTG_03 Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 And quite right too. Ireland did not vote for this mess. It's good to see the EU looking after one of their own. Look at the power an independent Ireland has inside the EU and compare to Scotland inside the UK. The more this unfolds the worse it gets. Sturgeon simply has to offer up indyref2 if it's a no deal scenario which is looking likely. People deserve a choice, I still think the NO side will win a 2nd referendum with the mainstream media on their side and another project fear but a decision on which way we want to go must be made. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 There should be a referendum on the final deal and a referendum on Scottish independence if the Brexit deal is voted through. That's obvs fair. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 When is Kate Hoey defecting to UKIP? The woman is an embarrassment. She's a fucking cvnt of the first degree. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 And the third. And the fourth. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, GTG_03 said: Look at the power an independent Ireland has inside the EU and compare to Scotland inside the UK. The more this unfolds the worse it gets. Sturgeon simply has to offer up indyref2 if it's a no deal scenario which is looking likely. People deserve a choice, I still think the NO side will win a 2nd referendum with the mainstream media on their side and another project fear but a decision on which way we want to go must be made. The problem will be selling a border. There wouldn’t have been one within the EU, but since England and England Jr don’t give a f**k about any other home nation, it looks like there will be a hard border in Ireland. The next indyref will see the imperialists pointing at the border they’ve forced on Ireland and saying, “if you dare try and govern yourselves, you’ll get one too”. That might make the shitebags think it’s better to sink into economic oblivion clinging to England and Wales’ coattails. Edited December 2, 2017 by Antlion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawpar Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 (edited) Please please Ireland on the 14th and 15th of December vote this completely and utter stupid racist fucking thing down. The only reason people voted Brexit was because either a) they were fucking stupid e.g Oh look the bus says we will get £350 million back from the EU or b) they were fucking racist e.g we don't want any immigrants coming into this country. (Translated into Farage we dont want any niggers, pakis or gypos coming into England). In summary Ireland do us all a favour and get this of this racist pish. Edited December 2, 2017 by pawpar 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Forgive me, what is the significance of the dates 14th/15th December? Is that a deadline of some sort? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fifer Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 11 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Forgive me, what is the significance of the dates 14th/15th December? Is that a deadline of some sort? Think TMay and the other big wigs meet tomorrow (4th) and from that the EU top dogs will recommend to the EU27 whether they're keen to move onto the next phase of negotiations. 14th/15th is when they vote for it. I think. Might be talking shite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Ta. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 (edited) Brexit. A minter if you do, a minter if you don't. Edited December 3, 2017 by Cerberus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 This is worse than I thought. People can't even afford slippers, now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 17 hours ago, Antlion said: ....The next indyref will see the imperialists pointing at the border they’ve forced on Ireland and saying, “if you dare try and govern yourselves, you’ll get one too”.... If we had wound up outside the EU with rUK still in there almost certainly would have been a hard border at the Solway and Tweed for a few years minimum, if EEA membership could not have been secured. If Brexit is teaching people anything it is that radical constitutional change is not something to do lightly and to be wary of snake oil salesmen that claim otherwise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 (edited) Rees-Mogg is now pretending (on Marr) that a border in Ireland would be entirely the political choice of the EU and RoI, that they don’t legally need to build one, and that the UK would never suggest one. Putting aside the fact he’s lying, why, then, did the UK government claim that an iScotland would legally require a border that the Scottish government doesn’t want? Edited December 3, 2017 by Antlion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 The Isle of Man is not in the EU, but can still trade with EU members with no customs tariffs being applied, so Rees-Mogg isn't actually wrong in strictly technical terms even if it's a disingenuous argument due to the practicalities involved making a hard border a necessity when a state as large as the UK is involved. You would have to ask the UK government on the second question. My guess would be that they thought it would swing people over to the No side, so the question seems a bit redundant to me. The important point was that they had the ability to do that like the EU does with the NI border at the moment and if Scotland had voted for independence passport and customs checks on the M74 at Gretna could have been one of the outcomes regardless of what Holyrood wanted. Divorces often get bitter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 A bitter divorce or going to hell in a hand cart. Short term pain is worth taking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 “You’re going to jump off a bridge to your certain death?” ”Yes.” ”Do you want to?” ”No, but I’ve told folk I will and now feel obliged to follow through with it.” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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