Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[Granny Danger]

16 minutes ago, harry94 said:

It won't be sold as that though. It'll be a stopgap while they get 'technology' in place.

It'll piss leavers off but anything short of leaving the UN will and its impact wouldn't be as bad as a full EU reversal.

JRM, Johnson, et al won’t accept that.

 

[harry94]

Just now, Granny Danger said:

JRM, Johnson, et al won’t accept that.

 

They have no mechanism to stop it. They don't have the numbers to win the leadership and I doubt they'll get there.

[Detournement]

A Brexiteer needs a maximum of 106 votes to make it to the members vote.  The last time Leadsom +Gove got 130 but a lot of Leadsom's total were possibly May supporters.

Gove has stated his strategy. Get out the EU asap and work on the bits of the deal he doesn't like later.

[welshbairn]

1 hour ago, Granny Danger said:

It’s now looking like there will be no compromise or accommodation between May and the Hard Brexiteers.  This is bound to play out at next week’s Tory Party conference.

It will be interesting to see how awkward May chooses to be.  Much will be down to personal animus rather than politics.  

If she wants to put the knife into Johnson I can see her calling a GE, otherwise she’s handing him the keys to No 10.

 

Boris and Mogg are widely despised in the Parliamentary Party. May might have played a blinder in appointing Boris as FO secretary, knowing he'd make the worst job of it in recorded history, even worse than Robin Cook. Hopefully the news has hit the rural strongholds. I predict the conference will gather around the Leader, nobody wants to take over the shitfest.

[Granny Danger]

1 minute ago, welshbairn said:

Boris and Mogg are widely despised in the Parliamentary Party. May might have played a blinder in appointing Boris as FO secretary, knowing he'd make the worst job of it in recorded history, even worse than Robin Cook. Hopefully the news has hit the rural strongholds. I predict the conference will gather around the Leader, nobody wants to take over the shitfest.

Noted.

[NotThePars]

Won’t be surprised if the Tory right unite behind May after Starmer’s speech today. A campaign with Remain on the option would at least have to recognise that the EU, or Britain’s engagement with it, has to change and I dunno if the ardent Remainers have acknowledged that.

[Cerberus]

"Not ruling out".
Labour are trying to look like they are not sitting on the Brexit fence by moving an millimeter to the side of it.
It needs more than that.

A lukewarm sentiment from a lukewarm party.

[Antlion]

6 hours ago, NotThePars said:

Won’t be surprised if the Tory right unite behind May after Starmer’s speech today. A campaign with Remain on the option would at least have to recognise that the EU, or Britain’s engagement with it, has to change and I dunno if the ardent Remainers have acknowledged that.

I’ve noticed there’s a move amongst English remain politicians to stress that they want to remain in a reformed EU. Do they seriously imagine that the EU would - or should - listen to their demands that it reform and change if the UK realises it’s shat the bed and begs to stay?

The EU does need reform. The UK is in no position to demand or shape it.

[Bully Wee Villa]

On 24/09/2018 at 19:04, John Lambies Doos said:

On 24/09/2018 at 18:48, welshbairn said:

Doesn't seem the grassroots want Brexit either, unlike their current leaders.

Strange, many socialist Labour heartlands voted for it.

That doesn't mean Socialist Labour voters supported Brexit. Most of those areas have, or at least had, a large UKIP presence. Not large enough to translate into seats at at a General Election, but large enough to make the difference on a single issue referendum.

The majority of Labour voters are pro-Remain. Among members, the pro-Remain majority is overwhelming. 

[Mark Connolly]

1 hour ago, Antlion said:

I’ve noticed there’s a move amongst English remain politicians to stress that they want to remain in a reformed EU. Do they seriously imagine that the EU would - or should - listen to their demands that it reform and change if the UK realises it’s shat the bed and begs to stay?

The EU does need reform. The UK is in no position to demand or shape it.

They need us. Just look at the number of German cars in the car park, and the amount of French wine we drink.

They'll do whatever we want to keep that £350m a week from going to the NHS.

[Detournement]

Whether the EU needs us or not it's at a point of crisis. It looks like Le Pen or Melenchon up next in France, Italy has embraced populism, Germany is sliding to the right, Greece has an debt bill it's impossible to pay, Hungrary and Poland are doing their own thing and so is Portugal in a different way. Plus Spain is locking up Catalan politicians.

It would surely be better for them to promote the idea of negotiated compromise rather than have a large political rupture.

Edited September 26, 2018 by Detournement

[Granny Danger]

2 hours ago, Antlion said:

I’ve noticed there’s a move amongst English remain politicians to stress that they want to remain in a reformed EU. Do they seriously imagine that the EU would - or should - listen to their demands that it reform and change if the UK realises it’s shat the bed and begs to stay?

The EU does need reform. The UK is in no position to demand or shape it.

That’s a very fair point.  The ironic thing is the the EU badly needs reformed and if the U.K. had pushed hard for that rather than leaving it may have been effective.

 

[Detournement]

The EU didn't give Cameron anything he was looking and there is no realistic route to reopening Lisbon.

 

[welshbairn]

8 minutes ago, Detournement said:

The EU didn't give Cameron anything he was looking and there is no realistic route to reopening Lisbon.

 

He actually got quite a lot but made no effort to sell it to the electorate, or all the other benefits of being in the EU. Running a solely negative campaign just puts people off.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35622105

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

I see that May's latest attempt to appease the batshit crazy extremists is a promise to make the UK a low tax, de-regulated 'paradise' for big business.

Anybody out there working in a job ? You're about to get royally f*cked.

 

 

 

[DA Baracus]

2 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

I see that May's latest attempt to appease the batshit crazy extremists is a promise to make the UK a low tax, de-regulated 'paradise' for big business.

Anybody out there working in a job ? You're about to get royally f*cked.

 

 

 

It's almost like this was part of the plan all along...

[Detournement]

59 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

He actually got quite a lot but made no effort to sell it to the electorate, or all the other benefits of being in the EU. Running a solely negative campaign just puts people off.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35622105

Apparently he asked for a lot more on FoM in private but Mystic Merkel shot him down. He also couldn't make a big deal about the allowances he got as they conflicted with his manifesto from 12 months prior.

[Jacksgranda]

4 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

That’s a very fair point.  The ironic thing is the the EU badly needs reformed and if the U.K. had pushed hard for that rather than leaving it may have been effective.

 

Now who's being naïve?

I've heard for years about the EU needing reform - from Europhiles to eurosceptics - and what has happened? Absolutely nothing. Too many don't want reform - it'll cost them their (not really needed) job. Too many vested interests to contemplate, let alone implement, reform.

Edited September 26, 2018 by Jacksgranda

[Jacksgranda]

1 hour ago, Detournement said:

The EU didn't give Cameron anything he was looking and there is no realistic route to reopening Lisbon.

 

I was always of that opinion.

1 hour ago, welshbairn said:

He actually got quite a lot but made no effort to sell it to the electorate, or all the other benefits of being in the EU. Running a solely negative campaign just puts people off.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35622105

However, if what wb says is true, he did make absolutely no effort to sell it to the electorate.

[Detournement]

46 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

I see that May's latest attempt to appease the batshit crazy extremists is a promise to make the UK a low tax, de-regulated 'paradise' for big business.

Anybody out there working in a job ? You're about to get royally f*cked.

 

 

 

Very true. Better vote Labour.