git-intae-thum Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 hour ago, coprolite said: i assure you there is nothing interesting about this debate. I never identified a time, merely the current situation. "not caring" was clearly context dependent. As a Scottish nationalist, what effect do you think brexit will have on the arguments for scottish independence? Trade barriers weren't an issue last time and Scotland will have no claim to membership of the EU. I ask as someone who was narrowly against independence last time, and is a definite supporter of EU membership. Assuming Brexit goes ahead. All the sentiment coming out of the EU suggests that (should we choose too) our path to rejoining would be straightforward. In the immediate aftermath of independence, and prior to our dedcision over our future eu relationship, there is no reason that any trade barriers be imposed between us and the rUK. I suppose they could do so from spite, but that would harm them as much as us (and they are pretty friendless at the moment.) In the medium term we would have to weigh up what trade relationships suited us best. In any case, it would be us making our decisions for the betterment of our future. Better than the slow death of remaining in an increasingly xenophobic isolationist rUK, over whose direction we have little say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 hour ago, coprolite said: i assure you there is nothing interesting about this debate. I never identified a time, merely the current situation. "not caring" was clearly context dependent. As a Scottish nationalist, what effect do you think brexit will have on the arguments for scottish independence? Trade barriers weren't an issue last time and Scotland will have no claim to membership of the EU. I ask as someone who was narrowly against independence last time, and is a definite supporter of EU membership. Strange you chose to pursue it then. For me the Brexit debacle has no effect on the arguments for Scottish statehood, other than proving them right. I predicted exactly this situation four years ago. Whether it will affect the opinions of those who were wedded to the UK last time (to a lesser or greater extent) I can’t say. It will depend entirely on how Brexit pans out. We might end up with a negligible or soft Brexit, in which case trade barriers won’t be an issue next time. Or we might end up with a hard Brexit, in which case we have to decide whether to sink as a region of the UK, or try to join the EU and negotiate some kind of trading relationship with (what would be) a desperate UK. Incidentally, I agree that they weren’t an issue last time - but the UK nationalist position still tried to make them one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 From the BBC website "BBC assistant political editor Norman Smith said it was thought the only "substantive" area of disagreement left was over the mechanism for the UK to exit the proposed "backstop" customs arrangement - referring to the fallback plans to guarantee there will be no new visible border checks." So the only "substantive area of disagreement" is the one that the EU will not back down on and that May will need to get changed to have any chance of getting Cabinet/Parliamentary approval. That sure sounds like progress. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Strange you chose to pursue it then. For me the Brexit debacle has no effect on the arguments for Scottish statehood, other than proving them right. I predicted exactly this situation four years ago. Whether it will affect the opinions of those who were wedded to the UK last time (to a lesser or greater extent) I can’t say. It will depend entirely on how Brexit pans out. We might end up with a negligible or soft Brexit, in which case trade barriers won’t be an issue next time. Or we might end up with a hard Brexit, in which case we have to decide whether to sink as a region of the UK, or try to join the EU and negotiate some kind of trading relationship with (what would be) a desperate UK. Incidentally, I agree that they weren’t an issue last time - but the UK nationalist position still tried to make them one. A straw in the wind - my wife voted No and has declared she will now reverse that should another vote occur. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 3 hours ago, jupe1407 said: Obviously this scenario requires Labour and Corbyn not to make a complete arse of it. They don't half arse a cock up, I'll give them that! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 11 hours ago, Cerberus said: I'm against a 2nd referendum. The 17.4 million gimps who voted for Brexit deserve what comes their way. Spoken like a true fucking idiot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 10 hours ago, git-intae-thum said: I have sympathy for this sentiment. Another fucking idiot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 Rumors of a cabinet revolt, being led by fox, rabb and Leadsom. Urging May to play hardball and walk away 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: Rumors of a cabinet revolt, being led by fox, rabb and Leadsom. Urging May to play hardball and walk away It's true. Those three are revolting. Edited November 13, 2018 by coprolite i apologise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: Rumors of a cabinet revolt, being led by fox, rabb and Leadsom. Urging May to play hardball and walk away Where did you see this? I've had a look on twitter and can't see anything. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, coprolite said: It's true. Those three are revolting. Indeed - The Lyin', The Witch and the Turdraab 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Using the 6 counties as a bargaining chip was always in maybot's plan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 Where did you see this? I've had a look on twitter and can't see anything.BBC, met at foxs last night for late drinks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: 1 hour ago, zidane said: Where did you see this? I've had a look on twitter and can't see anything. BBC, met at foxs last night for late drinks It's only a conspiracy when it's at Loathsome's for pizza. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Using the 6 counties as a bargaining chip was always in maybot's plan.Possibly, but I don’t see much evidence that she’s got a plan never mind one that’s always been consistent 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 For once in my life I can actually agree with Boris who is tweeting that the the whole brexit farce is now being totally stage managed. At the last possible moment May will emerge waving some fudged paperwork in the air, claiming that she has secured an excellent deal for the whole of the UK and that we should all unite and get behind it. She'll be hailed by her colleagues as a heroine in much the same way as Thatcher was when sunk the Belgrano. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Orton Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: For once in my life I can actually agree with Boris who is tweeting that the the whole brexit farce is now being totally stage managed. At the last possible moment May will emerge waving some fudged paperwork in the air, claiming that she has secured an excellent deal for the whole of the UK and that we should all unite and get behind it. She'll be hailed by her colleagues as a heroine in much the same way as Thatcher was when sunk the Belgrano. Remember the last time a British PM came back waving paperwork from the continent. That went well. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoffster Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Heading towards something no one voted for, marvelous? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senorsoupe Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) https://theovertake.com/~beta/according-to-boyle/ I know not everyone's cup of tea but Frankie Boyle wrote an eloquently cynical and depressing article about Brexit Edited November 13, 2018 by senorsoupe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 24 minutes ago, senorsoupe said: https://theovertake.com/~beta/according-to-boyle/ I know not everyone's cup of tea but Frankie Boyle wrote an eloquently cynical and depressing article about Brexit I think Frankie Boyle would be a better Prime Minster than Theresa May. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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