Savage Henry Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 11 hours ago, Boghead ranter said: I think we've got a good chance of second. McLeish has brought optimism back! 9 hours ago, Granny Danger said: The vote won’t go ahead; the Tories are not making Parliamentary time for it. The only time the government is obliged by statute to have a vote is when it’s a formal VOC in the government. Whispers that the SNP is trying to get this but I think it has to be backed by the official opposition. It was entirely symbolic. 8 hours ago, Baxter Parp said: 20 hours ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: Mature competence? Salmond made a rats of the currency question. Pish. There were 4 viable answers to the currency question in the white paper. The UK govt simply lied through their teeth and said they wouldn't accept the solution that was most beneficial for both countries. The UK government - much like the EU - were under no obligations to kowtow to the SNP on that matter. Like the EU referendum, certain aspects were not stated strongly enough in the public sphere. Whether you or I think that's the right policy is neither here nor there. 24 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Nothing wrong with the analogy but plenty wrong with your interpretation and sexist shit. Anyway. Corbyn’s advisors must be the most tactically inept bunch in the history of politics. Even if you accept that this is STILL not the time for a full scale VOC (and I think it IS that time) then the vote in May alone is stupid and makes him look weak. Yesterday May was getting a hard time for wasting another month, even from her own backbenchers. THAT should be the headline story but Corbyn has detracted from it. There's absolutely nothing inevitable about a full VOC being defeated. The DUP have made it quite clear they are for turning. The main result of Corbyn's move is to give May another month. That was her best case scenario anyway. A full VOC could have forced the matter, or at least brought positions to a head. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 May now actively planning for a no deal scenario and looking at everything on the table i’d say its now quite likely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 34 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: There's absolutely nothing inevitable about a full VOC being defeated. The DUP have made it quite clear they are for turning. The main result of Corbyn's move is to give May another month. That was her best case scenario anyway. A full VOC could have forced the matter, or at least brought positions to a head. The DUP will not vote against the Tory government until after May’s Brexit deal is passed. They have been consistent in that. It’s one of the reasons she is delaying. If by some miracle a variation of her deal that still includes the backstop passes the DUP will vote against her. She’s hoping that it’s too late to be effective. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Maybot now saying that "Eu assurances"over the backstop are not good enough.........can somebody remind who negotiated the deal?Because it wasnt the Brexit Raab or the Pm.Obviously they signed up without reading the t@cs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Brexiteers still pedalling this lie about not having to pay the £39bn in the event of a No Deal Brexit. The MSM really should be challenging them on this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 Brexiteers still pedalling this lie about not having to pay the £39bn in the event of a No Deal Brexit. The MSM really should be challenging them on this. Genuine question GD. Is that not true? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 4 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Corbyn’s advisors must be the most tactically inept bunch in the history of politics. Shirley, they can't be worse than Maybot's advisors? Seriously, it does make you think about great political leaders of our time. Were they really that great or did they just have great advisors? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 17 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: 42 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Brexiteers still pedalling this lie about not having to pay the £39bn in the event of a No Deal Brexit. The MSM really should be challenging them on this. Genuine question GD. Is that not true? Most of it's simple bills they owe money on, like pensions for EU workers and contracts they've signed up to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Looks like a Tory split is possible, half the cabinet going for hard brexit as central planning, the rest wanting to consult parliament on alternatives. May siding with the hardliners. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: 52 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Brexiteers still pedalling this lie about not having to pay the £39bn in the event of a No Deal Brexit. The MSM really should be challenging them on this. Genuine question GD. Is that not true? They have no option, it's not a penalty it's basically just the UK's contractural share of various things including loan repayments and interest, grants, pensions etc, which were all shared by the member states under the EU umbrella. We can't just walk away and default otherwise we'd be screwed internationally from a Credit perspective and by God we are going to need a few facilities in place just very shortly............. Just saw Welshbairn had already covered. Edited December 18, 2018 by Guest 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 4 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Nothing wrong with the analogy but plenty wrong with your interpretation and sexist shit. Anyway. Corbyn’s advisors must be the most tactically inept bunch in the history of politics. Even if you accept that this is STILL not the time for a full scale VOC (and I think it IS that time) then the vote in May alone is stupid and makes him look weak. Yesterday May was getting a hard time for wasting another month, even from her own backbenchers. THAT should be the headline story but Corbyn has detracted from it. Corbyn's ineptitude was encapsulated last night in the Commons, when as May made to exit the two-thirds empty chamber he stood to deliver his VONC - in her personally, but not her Government. May stopped and sat down, smiling quietly until he had finished. She then got up and breezed out, leaving him to have all the effect of being slapped in the mush with a wet Guardian. To those Labourites who maintain that 'now is not the time' I have bad news - under the present Parliamentary arithmetic there never will be a good time. But what time is left should be used to chivvy, embarrass, harry and chase the Government all over the place, even if that means losing symbolic votes. And maybe we're being too hard on Corbyn's advisers; maybe they ARE urging action, but the problem is HIM. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: Corbyn's ineptitude was encapsulated last night in the Commons, when as May made to exit the two-thirds empty chamber he stood to deliver his VONC - in her personally, but not her Government. May stopped and sat down, smiling quietly until he had finished. She then got up and breezed out, leaving him to have all the effect of being slapped in the mush with a wet Guardian. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 46 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: Brexiteers still pedalling this lie about not having to pay the £39bn in the event of a No Deal Brexit. The MSM really should be challenging them on this. Genuine question GD. Is that not true? 26 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Most of it's simple bills they owe money on, like pensions for EU workers and contracts they've signed up to. This... 19 minutes ago, WATTOO said: They have no option, it's not a penalty it's basically just the UK's contractural share of various things including loan repayments and interest, grants, pensions etc, which were all shared by the member states under the EU umbrella. We can't just walk away and default otherwise we'd be screwed internationally from a Credit perspective and by God we are going to need a few facilities in place just very shortly............. Just saw Welshbairn had already covered. ...and this. People like Mogg saying we can leave on WTO rules but still keep a close relationship with Europe. I wonder how close it will be if we try to get out of paying what we are due. Like the slogan on the side of the bus this is another lie that the little Englander xenophobes are happy to buy into. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 40 minutes ago, WATTOO said: We can't just walk away and default otherwise we'd be screwed internationally from a Credit perspective and by God we are going to need a few facilities in place just very shortly............. We print our own money M8 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 We would still pay in a No Deal scenario but only after we get a decent deal sorted. The EU have everything they want at the moment and believed they had the over a barrell over NI. When the circumstances change and are less favourable to them it makes sense they will be more likely to deal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Detournement said: We would still pay in a No Deal scenario but only after we get a decent deal sorted. The EU have everything they want at the moment and believed they had the over a barrell over NI. When the circumstances change and are less favourable to them it makes sense they will be more likely to deal. What would be a decent deal in a No deal scenario? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: What would be a decent deal in a No deal scenario? Surely in a No Deal scenario we would still be in permanent negotations to sort out as many sectors as practically possible? No deal doesn't mean No Deal forever it means building a new relationship starting from scratch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Looks like were going to need Noel Edmonds. Would do a better job than Corbyn tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: What would be a decent deal in a No deal scenario? Ignore him he’s a havering c**t. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Detournement said: We would still pay in a No Deal scenario but only after we get a decent deal sorted. The EU have everything they want at the moment and believed they had the over a barrell over NI. When the circumstances change and are less favourable to them it makes sense they will be more likely to deal. EU countries will have hassle trading with one country, we'll have hassle with 27. It's insane to think we'll have the upper hand. https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1075016266035937280 Edited December 18, 2018 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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