Granny Danger Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, ICTJohnboy said: That's a very depressing and worrying 15% that want to remain in the EU. Yeah but these folk are not representative. They are zealots. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Granny Danger said: Yeah but these folk are not representative. They are zealots. Granted., but given the way the whole thing is panning out, I would still have expected more than 15% to be coming round to the idea that remaining might not be such a bad option. Then again, I don't know too many tories who are capable of logical thought. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/04/most-tory-members-would-choose-no-deal-over-may-brexit-plan Assuming the poll has been run by a credible organisation and the results are correct, it simply shows that the members of the various Conservative associations are extremists who are out of touch with their own voters. It also shows that the ERG are more representative of these members than the majority of Tory MPs. I would say it confirms most Tories are little Englanders. UKipers in sheeps clothing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 26 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: They just want rid of immigrants. Nothing else matters. Most of them are pensioners who don't need to look for work in a badly damaged economy. It also means returning to some golden era that never was. For them, it represents patriotism and if it all goes wrong that is somebody else's fault. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 32 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: They just want rid of immigrants. Nothing else matters. Most of them are pensioners who don't need to look for work in a badly damaged economy. First of all for clarity we are talking about members of Conservative Associations and not just Tory voters. A quick google search shows wide views as to their average age but it is definitely older people. (Mind you the same can be said of the average age of other political parties). It’s quite a big deal because these people who select Tory candidates, and may be pressuring Tory MPs, are wholly unrepresentative. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 If Corbyn somehow forces an election (don't see how) it would mean Boris winning the members vote and probably the General Election if Corbyn is still promising his unconvincing Brexit lite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleMoo Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 To be honest I found all this Brexit shit mildly amusing at first. Don't get me wrong, as a remain voter I was livid with the result but I always assumed sanity would prevail and something would be cobbled together that I could live with. Not finding it as funny anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 3 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: Gove's performance yesterday before the the farmers was a classic; raising No Deal spectres whilst shamelessly ignoring the fact that he is one of the b*****ds who has got us into this message. And shame on the farming lobby for allowing him to go unchallenged on this - they'll learn soon enough. Farmers generally are such rabid Tory voters that they'll swallow just about anything that a Tory in power feeds them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 50 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: They just want rid of immigrants. Nothing else matters. Most of them are pensioners who don't need to look for work in a badly damaged economy. I can't speak so much for Scotland now, but in this area that I'm unlucky enough to live in, the anti immigrant brigade appears to me to span a very broad range of age groups I'd love to see all of Scotland's young, and anyone supporting them, take to the streets in protest with banners proclaiming : "The Young People Of Scotland Want To Remain In Europe" and/or "The Young People Of Scotland Will Have To Live With The Consequences Of Brexit" and/or "The Young People Of Scotland Did Not Vote For Brexit" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theawaysection Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, MixuFixit said: They just want rid of immigrants. Nothing else matters. Most of them are pensioners who don't need to look for work in a badly damaged economy. England - its a shit hole of a country. Walk around Swindon, Sunderland, Birmingham, Leeds, Luton, Gloucester, Carlisle, Scunthorpe, Warrington, Stoke - these places are the pits. Unfortunatly the people who live in these places voted to leave. Little Englanders or at least people who tipped balance in favour of LEAVE in UK. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, theawaysection said: England - its a shit hole of a country. Walk around Swindon, Sunderland, Birmingham, Leeds, Luton, Gloucester, Carlisle, Scunthorpe, Warrington, Stoke - these places are the pits. Unfortunatly the people who live in these places voted to leave. Little Englanders or at least people who tipped balance in favour of LEAVE in UK. Leeds voted Remain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Can’t believe people that live in places universally regarded as shiteholes voted for a rupture of the status quo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbitterandgrumpy Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 On 1/2/2019 at 12:19, Bairnardo said: And the wider UK electorate which seems to be shifting towards remain. Inexplicable that Corbyn is unwilling to shift his position on one thing in order to try and get into power and make real change in a number of other areas, and also if unwilling to do that, then to step aside to let someone else further the cause.Surely one mans disdain for the EU cant be allowed to be the blocker for providing a real alternative to the Tories at the ballot box? He's old school Socialist. He likes to think he has principles, which to be fair he has when compared to the Blairite Labour MP's who had a meltdown and tried to get rid of him when the party elected him leader. But a dinosaur with principles is still a dinosaur. He's coming across as hopelessly inept. I quite like him, comes across as quite a decent guy. He seems completely out of his depth at this level though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbitterandgrumpy Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, NotThePars said: Can’t believe people that live in places universally regarded as shiteholes voted for a rupture of the status quo. It would seem the areas with the heaviest Leave vote are going to be the hardest hit. I don't get that either. Find it hilarious though. Edited January 4, 2019 by oldbitterandgrumpy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, oldbitterandgrumpy said: He's old school Socialist. He likes to think he has principles, which to be fair he has when compared to the Blairite Labour MP's who had a meltdown and tried to get rid of him when the party elected him leader. But a dinosaur with principles is still a dinosaur. He's coming across as hopelessly inept. I quite like him, comes across as quite a decent guy. He seems completely out of his depth at this level though. He’s a lot closer to Blair than he pretends. Blair thought deciding policy was the job of party leader; Corbyn thinks likewise. F*ck the membership. Anyway, the DUP confirming that they won’t support May’s deal. Hardly a surprise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbitterandgrumpy Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: He’s a lot closer to Blair than he pretends. Blair thought deciding policy was the job of party leader; Corbyn thinks likewise. F*ck the membership. Anyway, the DUP confirming that they won’t support May’s deal. Hardly a surprise. Aye, suppose so. Didn't say he wasn't a politician, with all the hypocritical baggage a politician has to carry around with them. His ineptness and inability to step up when needed does make me despair though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, oldbitterandgrumpy said: Aye, suppose so. Didn't say he wasn't a politician, with all the hypocritical baggage a politician has to carry around with them. His ineptness and inability to step up when needed does make me despair though. I’ve defended Corbyn on this forum and IRL on a number of occasions. The only issue I had with him were Scottish Independence and Brexit. However he is now beyond defending; his lack of experience as a result of not having held any position of real authority or power is there for all to see. Past Labour leaders sold out their (supposed) principles far too easily; Corbyn is just as guilty by not being willing to compromise at all. It’s just as big a failure and will be every bit as costly. Sadly it is those he purports to represent who will suffer most. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 42 minutes ago, theawaysection said: England - its a shit hole of a country. Walk around Swindon, Sunderland, Birmingham, Leeds, Luton, Gloucester, Carlisle, Scunthorpe, Warrington, Stoke - these places are the pits. Unfortunatly the people who live in these places voted to leave. Little Englanders or at least people who tipped balance in favour of LEAVE in UK. You missed out Burnley. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I’ve defended Corbyn on this forum and IRL on a number of occasions. The only issue I had with him were Scottish Independence and Brexit. However he is now beyond defending; his lack of experience as a result of not having held any position of real authority or power is there for all to see. Past Labour leaders sold out their (supposed) principles far too easily; Corbyn is just as guilty by not being willing to compromise at all. It’s just as big a failure and will be every bit as costly. Sadly it is those he purports to represent who will suffer most. Politically, in Parliament, he's doing all the right things, at the right time. The government has to implode before he can do anything. You can only do something when you have the power. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 42 minutes ago, Fullerene said: Leeds voted Remain. Birmingham went 50/50. Think it was mainly smaller towns and rural districts that were solidly Leave. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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