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3 minutes ago, Malky3 said:

I predicted just last week that Johnston would get a deal through parliament. i know more than you think.....

That wouldn't be hard, he doesn't think you know anything...

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46 minutes ago, Jedi said:

Scottish Independence is now a long way off.

Sadly I agree.  Here is my rationale.

There will be a GE sometime in the next six months, Johnstone will get a majority government.  That government will refuse the request for a further Referendum.

For people who say “well if x, y or z happens, they’ve got to grant another Referendum” the sad reality is they don’t and they won’t.

I asked in another thread “what do we do then?”; answers there were none.

 

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4 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Sadly I agree.  Here is my rationale.

There will be a GE sometime in the next six months, Johnstone will get a majority government.  That government will refuse the request for a further Referendum.

For people who say “well if x, y or z happens, they’ve got to grant another Referendum” the sad reality is they don’t and they won’t.

I asked in another thread “what do we do then?”; answers there were none.

 

Let the reality of Brexit sink in, and lay the groundwork for fighting the next SGE on the basis of 'majority for pro-Indi parties = fresh mandate for Section 30'. 

I've waited my entire life to be rid of Westminster, I'm not particularly phased by that prospect taking another 3, 4, or 5 years to materialise.. It'll happen eventually. Cauld winters and flu outbreaks will see to it if nothing else.

It just galls me that we'll have to live through the experience of being dragged out of the EU by a bunch of English xenophobes and suffer the resultant economic disaster before we can disentangle ourselves from this farcical abusive relationship.

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6 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Sadly I agree.  Here is my rationale.

There will be a GE sometime in the next six months, Johnstone will get a majority government.  That government will refuse the request for a further Referendum.

For people who say “well if x, y or z happens, they’ve got to grant another Referendum” the sad reality is they don’t and they won’t.

I asked in another thread “what do we do then?”; answers there were none.

 

Eh...Not quite true...as I pointed out in said other thread.

If.....and it is an if......the clear will of the Scottish people is consistently ignored, there will be a mechanism through Scotcourts to test the claim of right.

Obviously not best case scenario, but a definite (and more importantly peaceful) route.

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Just now, Boo Khaki said:

Let the reality of Brexit sink in, and lay the groundwork for fighting the next SGE on the basis of 'majority for pro-Indi parties = fresh mandate for Section 30'. 

I've waited my entire life to be rid of Westminster, I'm not particularly phased by that prospect taking another 3, 4, or 5 years to materialise.. It'll happen eventually. Cauld winters and flu outbreaks will see to it if nothing else.

It just galls me that we'll have to live through the experience of being dragged out of the EU by a bunch of English xenophobes and suffer the resultant economic disaster before we can disentangle ourselves from this farcical abusive relationship.

Let’s say that happens and Westminster still says no?

 

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10 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Sadly I agree.  Here is my rationale.

There will be a GE sometime in the next six months, Johnstone will get a majority government.  That government will refuse the request for a further Referendum.

For people who say “well if x, y or z happens, they’ve got to grant another Referendum” the sad reality is they don’t and they won’t.

I asked in another thread “what do we do then?”; answers there were none.

 

Agreed, don't see where permission for Indyref2 is coming from anytime in my lifetime, Westminster is now in "we'll do as we please" mode.

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1 minute ago, git-intae-thum said:

Eh...Not quite true...as I pointed out in said other thread.

If.....and it is an if......the clear will of the Scottish people is consistently ignored, there will be a mechanism through Scotcourts to test the claim of right.

Obviously not best case scenario, but a definite (and more importantly peaceful) route.

 I don’t know enough about the claim of right, constitutional law or the vagaries of judges; but I doubt if that route would be successful.

I hope I’m wrong.

 

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Just now, Granny Danger said:

Let’s say that happens and Westminster still says no?

 

Entirely possible, but even David Cameron was strident in asserting that it's not the role of the UK Prime Minister to obstruct the will of the Scots electorate. Extremist arseholes like Johnson will only be in power for so long before even England wakes up to reality and restores some semblance of common sense down there.

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Just now, Boo Khaki said:

Entirely possible, but even David Cameron was strident in asserting that it's not the role of the UK Prime Minister to obstruct the will of the Scots electorate. Extremist arseholes like Johnson will only be in power for so long before even England wakes up to reality and restores some semblance of common sense down there.

That’s true but like @ayrmad I don’t think permission is around the corner.

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Just now, Granny Danger said:

 I don’t know enough about the claim of right, constitutional law or the vagaries of judges; but I doubt if that route would be successful.

I hope I’m wrong.

 

If, as is generally held under Scots law, the people are sovereign, I would suggest that if strong evidence was gathered showing the clear and settled will, then a there is every chance of mounting a successful legal case to dissolve the union.

It's a win win. Should a legal challenge be unsuccessful, then I don't think Scots would like their new supposed subordinate position within the UK

In such a scenario, watch that pressure grow.

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Just now, Granny Danger said:

That’s true but like @ayrmad I don’t think permission is around the corner.

Well the original premise was 'a long way off'. 'Around the corner' and 'a long way off' are rather arbitrary. 

Look, it looks grim as f**k at Westminster right now, and yes, I agree that there's no prospect of the likes of Johnson suddenly having a p***k of conscience and agreeing to a Section 30. However, you need to remember that this is a country that embraced Thatcher, but even then, eventually got so sickened by the cow that she had to go, and shortly after, her bunch of mutants followed her out of office entirely. Things don't stay the same for long in politics, even when things are bleak.

We just keep re-electing pro-indi politicians and representatives in the meantime, and going by the change in opinions over the past ten years or so, it's a matter of time before pro-Independence isn't just a sizeable majority, but the overwhelming preference. No UK PM will be able to ignore that indefinitely, and if they do, then you're into territory where extreme things such as a UDI actually do become viable because of the likelihood of widespread international support.

It's a marathon, not a sprint.

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