Jump to content

Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.


John Lambies Doos

Recommended Posts

Just now, MixuFruit said:

I think given the UK has asked EU exporters to do their own VAT payments to HMRC instead of HMRC levying VAT on delivery as they do for stuff coming from outside the EU, purely because they admitted they couldn't enforce it, it's fair to say it's inevitable some exporters would just stop bothering.

So then it's the inevitable result of HMRC policy that small volume exporters using their own platforms would not bother exporting to the UK. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

Good news for Chinese ebayers I guess

Bad news, surely?

Edit: or in fact no change, as eBay would have been handling the VAT.

One thing I don't get is how those EU sellers paid UK VAT before - VAT was still due in the country of consumption under EU rules. 

Edited by bendan
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, MixuFruit said:

Explainer here. Key change seems to be VAT is charged at point of sale and not at point of import, i.e. HMRC considers the sale to now happen at my PC and not at the seller's.

Seems like a big aid to Amazon etc. oligopoly power.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/changes-to-vat-treatment-of-overseas-goods-sold-to-customers-from-1-january-2021/changes-to-vat-treatment-of-overseas-goods-sold-to-customers-from-1-january-2021#outline-of-the-changes

 

But for EU sales, it would still have had to have been charged at point of sale in the past. It has always been due in the place of consumption.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

Not according to that document

I don't see where you are getting that from - the document is not specific to EU trade, and in fact says the result will be that EU and non-EU are now treated the same (implying they were not previously, which is obviously true). In the past, VAT was payable at point of sale if inside the EU, but on importation if outside the EU.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

My mistake. Apparently there are distance selling thresholds that exempt companies from VAT registration if they're selling less that €35k a year to another country, and this no longer applies to the UK. I guess that's why the news is focusing on smaller suppliers. This year it's going to be withdrawn anyway but replaced with a declaration of cross border sales made throughout the EU in a company's tax receipts, which the tax authorities of each country will disburse to the relevant destination countries. 

https://www.avalara.com/vatlive/en/eu-vat-rules/distance-selling/distance-selling-eu-vat-thresholds.html

At the end of the day, as you say, the new situation would seem to favour the big marketplaces that can easily handle the payments. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, Big Rider said:

😄 "Expats" too. 😄😄😄

There are lots of expats in Spain who have been living there ‘under the radar’.  They’ve been well warned about registering and it would be in their interest to do so but they’ve probably got their ‘reasons’ for not doing so.

Brexit is going to impact upon them.  Bigly.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, jakedee said:

And?

From what I read of the original news report (about Spanish residents being refused re-entry to Spain) most (if not all) had the requisite paperwork to prove their residency.

If the roles were reversed and EU nationals resident in Britain were refused entry, would there be GIRUThem posts? More likely outrage and handwringing from the same posters currently wetting themselves with delight at the plight of others..

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Granny Danger said:

There are lots of expats in Spain who have been living there ‘under the radar’.  They’ve been well warned about registering and it would be in their interest to do so but they’ve probably got their ‘reasons’ for not doing so.

Brexit is going to impact upon them.  Bigly.

That's a different matter and their problem, quite frankly. I wouldn't have a lot of sympathy for someone living illegally in Spain, tbh.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

And?
From what I read of the original news report (about Spanish residents being refused re-entry to Spain) most (if not all) had the requisite paperwork to prove their residency.
If the roles were reversed and EU nationals resident in Britain were refused entry, would there be GIRUThem posts? More likely outrage and handwringing from the same posters currently wetting themselves with delight at the plight of others..
In fairness, JG, most of the posters on here, of whatever political stripe, were well aware of the ending of freedom of movement. Some of us approved, some of us saw it as a massively retrograde step.
The issue with these "ex-pats", or immigrants, as the Spanish will know them, is the exceptionalist attitude which tells them the rules only apply to others.
Granted, there appears to have been a fűck up in this instance,but all the aggrieved are pretty soon going to have to choose between applying for citizenship in Spain, or returning to the island they're so proud of but couldn't wait to get the fűck away from.
In summary, allow me to agree with the original sentiment. f**k'em.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...