Cyclizine Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 On 27/12/2020 at 09:54, MixuFruit said: Are west coast creelers OK out of this? WTO was going to destroy the industry, can they export without vet checks etc? On 27/12/2020 at 11:50, Billy Jean King said: On 27/12/2020 at 11:32, Cyclizine said: My father in law is still trying to find out exactly what is going to be happening. There will be more paperwork, but hopeful the vet sign off might not be necessary. The devil is in the detail. Beat me to it mate, sounds like we have had very similar family conversations As far as I can make out from my in laws, there has been an issue with IT on the French side, which has affected some exporters, although not them personally as they're holding off at the moment hoping things might settle down a bit over the next few weeks. Those that were affected had to use another port which added delays, which is an issue with live catch. The big issue they think will be that you can't easily export multiple species of shellfish in one shipment now, they need separate consignments, each with their own paperwork which is already a lot. So no lobsters and langoustines on one lorry without a load of certificates. Any mistake and turned back with tens of thousands worth of catch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 I must admit, Lex was right. Brexit is actually going pretty well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Prepare to be told this is the fault of Remoaners/Covid/Corbyn, that's if you can even find a Brexiteer that's willing to acknowledge it at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Where have all the Brexiteers from here gone? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 11 hours ago, Baxter Parp said: EU firms refuse UK deliveries over Brexit tax changes https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55530721 Inevitable. What was inevitable? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Looking forward to Sex Arse Tycoon for the X-Box this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Just now, MixuFruit said: I think given the UK has asked EU exporters to do their own VAT payments to HMRC instead of HMRC levying VAT on delivery as they do for stuff coming from outside the EU, purely because they admitted they couldn't enforce it, it's fair to say it's inevitable some exporters would just stop bothering. So then it's the inevitable result of HMRC policy that small volume exporters using their own platforms would not bother exporting to the UK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: Yes. There's some more on it here: https://tamebay.com/2021/01/have-vat-changes-for-online-marketplaces-levelled-the-playing-field.html It's a pity it puts off small sellers but it seems aimed at making sure the bigger online marketplaces pay VAT due to the UK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: Good news for Chinese ebayers I guess Bad news, surely? Edit: or in fact no change, as eBay would have been handling the VAT. One thing I don't get is how those EU sellers paid UK VAT before - VAT was still due in the country of consumption under EU rules. Edited January 5, 2021 by bendan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, MixuFruit said: Explainer here. Key change seems to be VAT is charged at point of sale and not at point of import, i.e. HMRC considers the sale to now happen at my PC and not at the seller's. Seems like a big aid to Amazon etc. oligopoly power. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/changes-to-vat-treatment-of-overseas-goods-sold-to-customers-from-1-january-2021/changes-to-vat-treatment-of-overseas-goods-sold-to-customers-from-1-january-2021#outline-of-the-changes But for EU sales, it would still have had to have been charged at point of sale in the past. It has always been due in the place of consumption. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: Not according to that document I don't see where you are getting that from - the document is not specific to EU trade, and in fact says the result will be that EU and non-EU are now treated the same (implying they were not previously, which is obviously true). In the past, VAT was payable at point of sale if inside the EU, but on importation if outside the EU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 18 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: My mistake. Apparently there are distance selling thresholds that exempt companies from VAT registration if they're selling less that €35k a year to another country, and this no longer applies to the UK. I guess that's why the news is focusing on smaller suppliers. This year it's going to be withdrawn anyway but replaced with a declaration of cross border sales made throughout the EU in a company's tax receipts, which the tax authorities of each country will disburse to the relevant destination countries. https://www.avalara.com/vatlive/en/eu-vat-rules/distance-selling/distance-selling-eu-vat-thresholds.html At the end of the day, as you say, the new situation would seem to favour the big marketplaces that can easily handle the payments. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 Where have all the Brexiteers from here gone? Guy said he didn't even vote, what an arsehole 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530722Ha ha GIRUthem 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Rider Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530722 Ha ha GIRUthem "Expats" too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, Big Rider said: "Expats" too. There are lots of expats in Spain who have been living there ‘under the radar’. They’ve been well warned about registering and it would be in their interest to do so but they’ve probably got their ‘reasons’ for not doing so. Brexit is going to impact upon them. Bigly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 hour ago, John Lambies Doos said: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530722 Ha ha GIRUthem Why? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakedee Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Why?https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/3/5/brexit-voting-expats-in-spain-wake-up-to-a-future-of-change 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, jakedee said: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/3/5/brexit-voting-expats-in-spain-wake-up-to-a-future-of-change And? From what I read of the original news report (about Spanish residents being refused re-entry to Spain) most (if not all) had the requisite paperwork to prove their residency. If the roles were reversed and EU nationals resident in Britain were refused entry, would there be GIRUThem posts? More likely outrage and handwringing from the same posters currently wetting themselves with delight at the plight of others.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: There are lots of expats in Spain who have been living there ‘under the radar’. They’ve been well warned about registering and it would be in their interest to do so but they’ve probably got their ‘reasons’ for not doing so. Brexit is going to impact upon them. Bigly. That's a different matter and their problem, quite frankly. I wouldn't have a lot of sympathy for someone living illegally in Spain, tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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