AUFC90 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 The jobs are basically a facade, it's all about the tax rate. If you are seriously happy with Apple paying 0.005 percent on it's European profits then you are an idiot.So if Intel says to an independent Scotland, give us a tax break and we'll build a new factory outside Paisley employing 5000 people and the Scottish government says nah...no thanks. Who's the idiot ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 It doesn't really though. The existence of multinational corporations such as Apple, Google, Amazon... etc has created a culture of mass, dead end, minimum wage jobs that require very little skill. Sure, there a certain layers to their business model that offer better pay and greater experience. But the ratio doesn't look good. Especially with automation becoming more and more apparent to perform the more complex tasks. So to claim that it's improving quality of living is somewhat misleading. 99% of the jobs they offer are for those who are just scraping by.I turned down and interview for Intel where all you needed was an HND and started on 43000 euros a year. So no....not cheap jobs at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 45 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: In Ireland the average employee of a foreign-owned entity pays twice as much tax as the average employee of an Irish-owned entity. Aye and this isn't Ireland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Eh, intel is in Kildare, Dell is in Limerick, Apple is in cork and Galway..... Also, so what if Irish people are buying homes for themselves..Presumably the problem is that people are buying multiple homes and renting them out at increasingly exorbitant prices. Isn’t Dublin becoming more and more like London every day? Exorbitant rents and increasing cost of living. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Just now, AUFC90 said: 53 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: It doesn't really though. The existence of multinational corporations such as Apple, Google, Amazon... etc has created a culture of mass, dead end, minimum wage jobs that require very little skill. Sure, there a certain layers to their business model that offer better pay and greater experience. But the ratio doesn't look good. Especially with automation becoming more and more apparent to perform the more complex tasks. So to claim that it's improving quality of living is somewhat misleading. 99% of the jobs they offer are for those who are just scraping by. I turned down and interview for Intel where all you needed was an HND and started on 43000 euros a year. So no....not cheap jobs at all. The vast majority of people don't go to college/university and get HNDs. Most aren't in a financial position to take on a full time college course. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: Aye and this isn't Ireland. Well spotted, but your argument that companies like Apple only bring low-paid dead-end jobs to Ireland is complete bollocks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Well spotted, but your argument that companies like Apple only bring low-paid dead-end jobs to Ireland is complete bollocks. Where did I mention Ireland? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: Where did I mention Ireland? This is a discussion about Ireland. But substitute the name of any other country if it makes you feel better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 12 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Presumably the problem is that people are buying multiple homes and renting them out at increasingly exorbitant prices. Isn’t Dublin becoming more and more like London every day? Exorbitant rents and increasing cost of living. Presumably? Got any evidence? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Presumably the problem is that people are buying multiple homes and renting them out at increasingly exorbitant prices. Isn’t Dublin becoming more and more like London every day? Exorbitant rents and increasing cost of living. AirBnB isn't helping. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: The vast majority of people don't go to college/university and get HNDs. Most aren't in a financial position to take on a full time college course. 2/3 of Scottish school leavers go to college/university. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: https://www.dailyedge.ie/worst-properties-on-dublin-rental-market-february-2019-4475851-Feb2019/ I guess we'll never know why this phenomenon, starting after Ireland went all out to attract foreign HQs after 2008, has happened in 10 short years. Clearly there were no expensive rental properties in Ireland prior to 2008. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Tibbermoresaint said: 2/3 of Scottish school leavers go to college/university. How many remain at college/university before the first term is up? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Just now, BawWatchin said: How many remain at college/university before the first term is up? 42. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Before? Yes. But there was also plentiful credit for mortgages and so on. Remember all those ghost housing estates in Ireland that nobody could sell, that were really popular in the news around 2008-9? It's strange how we don't hear about those anymore. Anyone would think Ireland's recovered well from the global financial crisis. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, MixuFixit said: Would you say these people agree? Yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: I see. There's hope for you yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbitterandgrumpy Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 2 hours ago, MixuFixit said: Or incrementally bring corporation tax back up and invest the take in social housing Aah . . . in an ideal world. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Wilson/Kyle amendment interesting. Accept May’s deal on basis of it being put back to a second referendum endorsing this form of Brexit or remaining in the EU. It would need an extension to Article 50 but seems a sound idea. ERG and DUP would be marginalised. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Wilson/Kyle amendment interesting. Accept May’s deal on basis of it being put back to a second referendum endorsing this form of Brexit or remaining in the EU. It would need an extension to Article 50 but seems a sound idea. ERG and DUP would be marginalised. I like this idea but can't see it getting through parliament, even if Labour come out and support it along with the SNP, Lib Dems and the other vaguely lefty parties, you'll lose the support of a lot of the 200 odd Tories who backed the deal originally. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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