Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[O'Kelly Isley III]

24 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Johnson just bumbling that Brexit will go ahead.  Cloud cuckoo land stuff.

Johnson and the Cabinet have almost certanly not left the tight central London bubble in which they and their advisers are semi-permanently isolated.  As such they have even less grasp of reality than even a few weeks ago.  We now have a perfect storm of ad hoc social policy colliding with millions of cases of individual and collective hardship, much of it driven by dire political policies of years standing, but it will take more, much more than that to knock sense into the Brexit ideologues.

And isn't it funny how many of the right-wing hyenas on here have recently disappeared ?

[Bishop Briggs]

On 17/03/2020 at 11:31, Granny Danger said:

Brexit still on?

 

Are you stupid or just trolling? Britain left the EU on 31st January.

We are now in the transition period with EU law applying to the UK until 31st December. 

 

[welshbairn]

 

[Granny Danger]

Britons by a majority of 2-1 support an extension to the transition period.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-brexit-transition-period-extension-when-eu-poll-a9415701.html

[cyderspaceman]

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The Russian military will start sending medical help to Italy from Sunday in order to help it battle the coronavirus, Moscow’s defence ministry said in a statement.

President Vladimir Putin spoke to Conte on Saturday, the Kremlin said, saying the Russian leader had offered his support and help in the form of mobile disinfection vehicles and specialists to help the worst hit Italian regions.

Russia cosying up to Italy. Possibly seeing them as the next to jump ship from the EU?

[cyderspaceman]

On 19/03/2020 at 15:33, Bishop Briggs said:

 

Are you stupid or just trolling? Britain left the EU on 31st January.

We are now in the transition period with EU law applying to the UK until 31st December. 

 

I thought you had to refer to it as the 'implementation' period.

[cyderspaceman]

19 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

Britons by a majority of 2-1 support an extension to the transition period.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-brexit-transition-period-extension-when-eu-poll-a9415701.html

From a purely personal point of view,  I want the brexit to crash on as wildly as possible. They wanted it, they've got it.  Fcukem'.

From a sensible point of view, considering friends, family and most P&Bers, I want whatever is best for them and me.

What I want is totally irrelevant, tho'. 

Good luck all,  from locked-down France.    (you're next )

[Bishop Briggs]

57 minutes ago, cyderspaceman said:

I thought you had to refer to it as the 'implementation' period.

It is officially called the Transition Period.

It's all here - https://ec.europa.eu/info/european-union-and-united-kingdom-forging-new-partnership/brexit-brief/transition-period_en.

[cyderspaceman]

8 hours ago, Bishop Briggs said:

It is officially called the Transition Period.

It's all here - https://ec.europa.eu/info/european-union-and-united-kingdom-forging-new-partnership/brexit-brief/transition-period_en.

That's the EU side. The Tories were calling it the implementation period. I don't know why. Perhaps to put a different spin on it. Just like Johnson said no more mention of brexit.

Transition. The transition period, also described as the ‘implementation period’ is meant to bridge the period between the date of the UK’s exit from the EU and the entry into force of the new, yet to be negotiated, UK-EU partnership arrangements. The transition will run until the end of December 2020, with the possibility of extension for up to two years. The extension of Article 50 to 31 October means the transition period is now shorter. A decision on extending the transition period must be taken by 1 July 2020.

[cyderspaceman]

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The father of British Prime Minister Boris Johnson will apply for French citizenship once Brexit is done, reported today's edition of the Sunday Times.

You couldn't make it up. He was a rabid brexiter. Hope they knock him back. Unlikely though, his mother was French.

[Cowden Cowboy]

7 minutes ago, cyderspaceman said:

You couldn't make it up. He was a rabid brexiter. Hope they knock him back. Unlikely though, his mother was French.

Hardly rabid given he campaigned for Remain!

[Antlion]

6 minutes ago, cyderspaceman said:

You couldn't make it up. He was a rabid brexiter. Hope they knock him back. Unlikely though, his mother was French.

Pretty sure Johnson Sr was a vocal remainer who became a born-again Brexiteer after his son looked likely to gain power, because it’s all a jolly game with no personal consequences for the ruling classes.

[Bishop Briggs]

2 minutes ago, cyderspaceman said:

You couldn't make it up. He was a rabid brexiter. Hope they knock him back. Unlikely though, his mother was French.

  Do you actually know anything about him? 

Stanley Johnson was a former Europhile Conservative MEP who had previously worked at the European Commission. He campaigned vigorously for Remain during the EU Referendum. Johnson later changed his mind and supported Brexit wand said that Juncker's attitude to the withdrawal negotiations was a key factor.

Stanley Johnson's mother, Irene Williams, was English.

[Bishop Briggs]

13 minutes ago, Cowden Cowboy said:

Hardly rabid given he campaigned for Remain!

Stanley Johnson was a rabid Remain campaigner during the referendum. He was regarded as one the most Europhile MEPs in the Tory delegation. Until Boris joined the Leave campaign, his children were pro-EU. Rachel campaigned with her Dad and stood for Change UK in the European elections. Jo resigned from Boris's  Government and stood down from a safe seat at the last election.

[cyderspaceman]

10 hours ago, Bishop Briggs said:

  Do you actually know anything about him? 

Stanley Johnson was a former Europhile Conservative MEP who had previously worked at the European Commission. He campaigned vigorously for Remain during the EU Referendum. Johnson later changed his mind and supported Brexit wand said that Juncker's attitude to the withdrawal negotiations was a key factor.

Stanley Johnson's mother, Irene Williams, was English.

He changed from remain to leave. That makes him in favour of brexit. 

His mother was born in France. She was not English.

10 hours ago, Cowden Cowboy said:

Hardly rabid given he campaigned for Remain!

Accepted. He changed sides. I used a 'Daily Express' 'Daily Mail' type description. I am ashamed.

[Bishop Briggs]

5 hours ago, cyderspaceman said:

He changed from remain to leave. That makes him in favour of brexit. 

His mother was born in France. She was not English.

Accepted. He changed sides. I used a 'Daily Express' 'Daily Mail' type description. I am ashamed.

Stanley Johnson did not change sides during the referendum campaign. 

Your place of birth does not determine your nationality. Bradley Wiggins was born in Belgium but he's always been British. John McEnroe was born in Germany but he's always been American. Similarly Stanley Johnson's mother was British. 

ETA - this is sort of idiocy that Pep used to post.

Edited March 23, 2020 by Bishop Briggs

[cyderspaceman]

4 hours ago, Bishop Briggs said:

Stanley Johnson did not change sides during the referendum campaign. 

Your place of birth does not determine your nationality. Bradley Wiggins was born in Belgium but he's always been British. John McEnroe was born in Germany but he's always been American. Similarly Stanley Johnson's mother was British. 

ETA - this is sort of idiocy that Pep used to post.

He did change sides. Not during the brexit campaign. I have accepted I was in error with that.

You said English, not British. I am well aware that being born in a country does not necessarily determine nationality or citizenship.

 

 

 

[Bishop Briggs]

8 minutes ago, cyderspaceman said:

He did change sides. Not during the brexit campaign. I have accepted I was in error with that.

You said English, not British. I am well aware that being born in a country does not necessarily determine nationality or citizenship.

Why should that matter? Stanley Johnson's mother  was English and British but not French as you claimed.

Let's take the example of a Scottish couple. The wife gives birth on holiday in France. According to your apparent logic, the baby can be French or British but not Scottish. Weird!

Edited March 23, 2020 by Bishop Briggs

[cyderspaceman]

16 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said:

Why should that matter? Stanley Johnson's mother  was English and British but not French as you claimed.

Let's take the example of a Scottish couple. The wife gives birth on holiday in France. According to your apparent logic, the baby can be French or British but not Scottish. Weird!

This has strayed away from my original erroneous claim about Stanley Johnson but I'm happy to continue.

A child born in France to holidaymakers is not automatically considered to be a French citizen.

A child born to a couple of whom one is French is automatically granted French citizenship, of course said child may also qualify for another citizenship, eg British (not English)

So Irene Williams had French citizenship, I don't know if she had British. Probably.

I worked in Jersey and met guys who supported England and seemed a bit puzzled out when I asked why. Jersey isn't in England, it isn't  even in the UK. (I'm sure you know this) 

The Scottish or English thing IS a bit weird as you say, since neither has any legal standing (afaik). I don't consider Rod Stewart to be Scottish but he probably does.

If it's because his parents are Scottish then how did they achieve that?

  The only certifiable nationalities are the one that are issued by the relevant state.

Maybe you can simply choose your 'nationality' within the UK.  Certainly immigrants can in a sporting context.

I'm happy to leave it at that since I started off incorrectly. It actually seems that Stanley has the right idea about the EU and I should not vilify him. 

Presumably he was just showing support for his son with this, which has spin as it's Farage.

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In an exclusive interview with Nigel Farage on LBC, Stanley Johnson declared his support for Brexit.

Stanley Johnson, father of Prime Minister Boris Johnson, has declared his support for leaving the European Union after backing Remain in the Referendum campaign.

 

 

[Granny Danger]