TheProgressiveLiberal Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, Bishoptonbankie said: Yeh thats not how literalism works, swing and a miss chummmmmmmmp. You don't think a direct apostle of Christ in the New Testament saying that Christians don't have to follow those rules is consistent with literalism? I've never claimed to be a literalist, by the way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Judge Roy Moore is literally a tedi. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 hours ago, TheProgressiveLiberal said: You don't think a direct apostle of Christ in the New Testament saying that Christians don't have to follow those rules is consistent with literalism? I've never claimed to be a literalist, by the way. I didn't know King James VI of Scotland and I of England was Christ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 You don't think a direct apostle of Christ in the New Testament saying that Christians don't have to follow those rules is consistent with literalism? I've never claimed to be a literalist, by the way. You do know the "bible" was written by some Greek guys 500 years after the alleged events in this work of fiction, don't you ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Oh dear. Given that Trumpy Jr was still in contact with Wikileaks after Mike Pompeo proclaimed them as an actor hostile to the US, this all smells a lot like treasonhttps://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/545738/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProgressiveLiberal Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 12 hours ago, Bishoptonbankie said: You're defending literalists. I'm defending the idea that you can be a Biblical literalist without following Jewish law as laid down in Leviticus. 10 hours ago, Antiochas III said: I didn't know King James VI of Scotland and I of England was Christ... Being a progressive liberal I read the NIV, not the King James. 9 hours ago, bob the tank said: You do know the "bible" was written by some Greek guys 500 years after the alleged events in this work of fiction, don't you ? I'm aware that the academics who study these things do not believe that the New Testament was literally written by the apostles in the decades after the death of Christ. I'm aware that there's a lot of doubt as to whether Christ actually existed. I haven't personally studied such topics so I can't speak beyond that. Not sure what it has to do with whether you can be a consistent Biblical literalist while still eating shellfish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProgressiveLiberal Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) This article isn't a good look for Moore. Lots of talk from his hometown. http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/gadsden_residents_say_moores_b.html No rumors of assaults, but lots of talk about creepy behavior towards young women in the 1970s. I was wondering when we'd get around to this. I currently live in a county about the same size as Mr. Moore's, 100k. Mr. Moore is the most famous person in his county by far. There are a couple people where I live that have national fame. I know all the rumors about their behavior. I figured we'd get the full run down on his behavior. Looks like it's starting to trickle out. I suspect we will know soon if there's anything beyond creepy behavior decades ago that crosses into illegality or assault. I also suspect that the right wing media like Breitbart is frantically attempting to blow holes in the stories of his two serious accusers. We should have the end of this well before election day. Edited November 14, 2017 by TheProgressiveLiberal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProgressiveLiberal Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 8 minutes ago, Bishoptonbankie said: Well I'll give you a clue, Roy Moore and his defenders speak of being strict christians who claim to keep to the bibles teachings in a literalist sense, the point being they base a defence of their actions and the basis of their horrific views on parts of the bible which have been twisted and misunderstood to suit their agenda, the whole while they choose to ignore other similar points which don't suit their agenda which share equal prominence in the bible and cannot be subject to the same twisting and misunderstanding. Which prominent points do they ignore? Just the shellfish, or are there more? I'm actually curious what people with fancy pants degrees on this subject think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Kids are fucked in the Game of Thrones books as well (most notably a 13 Daenerys by Khal Drogo). Since they seem to be using works of fiction to excuse a being a paedophile, why don't they use that example as well? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProgressiveLiberal Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 13 minutes ago, Bishoptonbankie said: Well many Republican and indeed democrats ignore the parts about not fucking other women whilst married. These folks do a better job of explaining ithttps://valerietarico.com/2009/04/23/if-the-bible-were-law-would-you-qualify-for-the-death-penalty/ andhttps://valerietarico.com/2014/05/30/eleven-kinds-of-bible-verses-christians-love-to-ignore/ So basically the Jewish law laid down in Exodus through Deuteronomy. The "shellfish" argument and not much more. The relationship of Gentile Christians to Jewish law is all pretty clearly dealt with in various parts of the New Testament. Acts 15 and Ephesians 2 most prominently. Any literal reading of these passages wipes away most of the law. There are plenty of other verses which deal with specific Jewish laws here and there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 47 minutes ago, McQuade said: There's NO DOUBT that Christ existed. There's plenty doubt. https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/12/18/did-historical-jesus-exist-the-traditional-evidence-doesnt-hold-up/?utm_term=.de6aa4b98388 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Parts of the Bible were first written over 3000 years ago, and almost all of the New Testament was written by The apostle's , mostly Paul ...no Greek guys. Who are these apostles of whom you speak? Enlighten a heathen please. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 9 minutes ago, McQuade said: No, there's no doubt Jesus existed. There are plenty of historical referenced to him, from non Christian sources. https://bible.org/article/ancient-evidence-jesus-non-christian-sources Eta Your link says only references to Jesus is from Christians after his death, as my link shows, that is factually incorrect. It shows a few "historians" writing long after Jesus' supposed death, actually. Maybe you should read it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 12 of Jesus family and followers, who went in the spread his message after he was killed. I thought he rose from the dead, so not killed, and supposed to be an only child. Now I'm confused. Thanks for the help. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 But did he really do the wine and fish thing? I think we should be told. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, McQuade said: It shows some written by people who were alive during his life writing a few decades after his death actually Which ones were alive during his life? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 But did he really do the wine and fish thing? I think we should be told. Fake news planted by the Russians, IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 The coffee wars are heating up it seems... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dardo Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 But did he really do the wine and fish thing? I think we should be told. Tapas mate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/11/14/president-trump-has-made-1628-false-or-misleading-claims-over-298-days/?utm_term=.2bce39defa0c President Trump has made 1,628 false or misleading claims over 298 days 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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