The Official Former President Trump thread

[TheProgressiveLiberal]

11 hours ago, MSU said:

Except it wasn't a study, it was a working paper and it wasn't peer-reviewed. Semantics, perhaps, but when people like the NY Times describe it as a Harvard study, it affords it a heft and a credibility it hasn't really earned. That aside, Fryer based his findings on data from 10 different police departments from three states, all in the south, and mostly large cities which is going to skew the numbers somewhat. It's probably also worth pointing out that "the same circumstance" you mention is really "after being stopped by the police." So even if white people are more likely to be shot after being stopped by the police than black people, it kinda ignores the fact that black people are far more likely to be stopped by the police in the first place. You might be able to kick a cat five feet and I might be able to kick it two feet, but if you only do it once and I do it non stop for an hour, which one of us is the biggest c**t?

I typed the study into the google machine before posting to check out what the lefties were saying about it. Clicked on the first lefty link I saw which was Mother Jones. They were keeping an open mind about his findings, so I assumed they had to have some credibility.

I think he looked beyond just stops and looked at specifically what happened during each stop. He then judged whether a white or black person was more likely to face lethal force given the same set of circumstances, and he found that white people faced lethal force at higher rates given the same circumstances. It makes sense on a certain level. You shoot a white guy who is behaving bizarrely and disobeying orders or who is armed and resisting arrest, you get noted on the local news and go back to work. You shoot a black guy, even if he's a career criminal who's armed and fighting back, and you risk a national controversy.

[Jmothecat2]

Do you have evidence that the police action in this instance is characteristic of or unusual for that specific department? That there are mitigating circumstances (for better or worse) for the police actions in this instance that have nothing to do with race? Or is this video cherrypicking for ideological rage?
If unusual and with no particular mitigating circumstances, the likely reason for such an unusual difference would very likely be that this 'person' (sneaky omission) is a woman, who are on average treated with relative kid gloves at every step of the justice system.

Fucking hell, only you could take a misogynist, sexist view on this.

[TheProgressiveLiberal]

10 hours ago, Carl Cort's Hamstring said:

The American police don't deserve to be white knighted by anyone.

The first part in a pretty astonishing 3 part story on how police in New York treat folk unable to defend themselves (ie the poor and ethnic minorities): 

https://medium.com/@ShaunKing/soul-snatchers-how-the-nypds-42nd-precinct-the-bronx-da-s-office-and-the-city-of-new-york-7454a5a43924

It's a really really long (but good) read, but the gist of it is that the NYPD set their officers arrest quotas, and to meet these they persecute the same (often completely innocent) people in the same communities over and over and over again. They coerce, threaten and beat people into making false witness statements against others, all to meet their quotas.

Three days after Trump's inauguration, the NYPD quietly made a $75 million settlement for over 900,000 wrongful arrests and summonses between 2007 and 2015 where the police had utterly failed to give any legal justification for their actions.

NINE. HUNDRED. THOUSAND.

 

Out of curiosity, what would be your strategy as a local government leader in the US to deal with a situation like Chicago? That's roughly the situation NYC was facing in the 70s and 80s. The local government decided to unleash the police and it became one of the safest big cities in the world. 

 

[TheProgressiveLiberal]

Preview of Steve Bannon's upcoming 60 minutes interview.

 

 

[Baxter Parp]

13 hours ago, TheProgressiveLiberal said:

 Black people are much more likely to commit crime

No, black people are more likely to be targeted by cops and more likely to be in jail you little racist.

[TheProgressiveLiberal]

2 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

No, black people are more likely to be targeted by cops and more likely to be in jail you little racist.

Let's start with an easy one. Do you think that black people are more likely than Asian people to commit murder? Do you think that black people are more likely than Asian people at the same economic level to commit murder? Easy enough to look up.

Edited September 8, 2017 by TheProgressiveLiberal

[Baxter Parp]

Just now, TheProgressiveLiberal said:

Let's start with an easy one. Do you think that black people are more likely than Asian people to commit murder? Do you think that black people are more likely to than Asian people at the same economic level to commit murder? Easy enough to look up.

Which bit of my statement didn't you understand?

[TheProgressiveLiberal]

Just now, Baxter Parp said:

Which bit of my statement didn't you understand?

So you think we just catch the black murderers because the police care more if the killer is black?

[TheProgressiveLiberal]

Actually if you care, we are way less likely to catch black murderers when compared to white murderers.

[Baxter Parp]

6 minutes ago, TheProgressiveLiberal said:

So you think we just catch the black murderers because the police care more if the killer is black?

Fucksake.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/data-police-racial-bias

[Jmothecat2]

Actually trying to justify racism with statistics.

[TheProgressiveLiberal]

2 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

Fucksake.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/data-police-racial-bias

I don't see anything in your link contradictory to what I believe other than point 2. 

I agree that blacks are policed much more strictly than other groups. This is because they are statistically more likely to commit crime. 

You argued that they don't commit more crimes and called me racist for pointing out this fact. Please provide evidence that black people commit less crimes than other racial groups in America.

[Baxter Parp]

Just now, TheProgressiveLiberal said:

I don't see anything in your link contradictory to what I believe other than point 2. 

I agree that blacks are policed much more strictly than other groups. This is because they are statistically more likely to commit crime. 

You argued that they don't commit more crimes and called me racist for pointing out this fact. Please provide evidence that black people commit less crimes than other racial groups in America.

You're ignored now you racist c**t.

[Jmothecat2]

You're ignored now you racist c**t.

For the sake of this thread I think we should all follow suit. It's gone from radical right-wing politics to actually trying to justify racism.

[John Lambies Doos]

No, black people are more likely to be targeted by cops and more likely to be in jail you little racist.

Is it not fair to say that proportionally in the states they are more likely to be involved in crime. Nothing to do with race; more to do with lack of education, employment etc

[TheProgressiveLiberal]

5 minutes ago, Jmothecat2 said:

Actually trying to justify racism with statistics.

If black people commit more crimes and are more likely to resist arrest, how do we get to a situation where cops kill whites and blacks at a ratio equal to our population?

Or you do not believe that black people in America commit more crimes as well?

[TheProgressiveLiberal]

2 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

Is it not fair to say that proportionally in the states they are more likely to be involved in crime. Nothing to do with race; more to do with lack of education, employment etc

Appalachia, which is as poor economically as urban minority ghettos and has just as poor educational outcomes, generally has lower violent crime rates than the nation as a whole.

[Baxter Parp]

Just now, John Lambies Doos said:

Is it not fair to say that proportionally in the states they are more likely to be involved in crime. Nothing to do with race; more to do with lack of education, employment etc

The best you can say is that poor people are more likely to commit crime but if you read the link it shows that blacks are far more likely to be stopped and searched by cops while white people who are stopped and searched are far more likely to have contraband.  If the cops targeted everybody fairly and equitably then the stats would be distributed more evenly. It's not a race thing.

[TheProgressiveLiberal]

9 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

The best you can say is that poor people are more likely to commit crime but if you read the link it shows that blacks are far more likely to be stopped and searched by cops while white people who are stopped and searched are far more likely to have contraband.  If the cops targeted everybody fairly and equitably then the stats would be distributed more evenly. It's not a race thing.

Statistics about whether race or economic status are better predictors of violent crime in the US are just a google search away.

[TheProgressiveLiberal]

21 minutes ago, Jmothecat2 said:

 

For the sake of this thread I think we should all follow suit. It's gone from radical right-wing politics to actually trying to justify racism.

 

No, I'm justifying differing racial outcomes. I'm not justifying treating people differently based on their race. You won't find an example of that.