Jmothecat2 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I strongly support a two state solution and Israel's right to exist but how anyone can look at the Israeli government's actions this week and react with anything other than disgust and condemnation is beyond me. This was a provocative move by Trump in a country with a government happy to revel in the provocation and respond to the results of the provocation in the most brutal way. I understand that Israel needs to prevent the border from being breached and Hamas are doing this to provoke their own response from Israel but this does not come close to justifying the slaughter of so many Palestinians by the Israeli government. Watching people trying to justify Israel's actions because their political stance apparently necessitates it is making my skin crawl. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I for one think the Israeli response is totally justified when faced with the disgusting war crimes of er, flying kites and tying a rope to a fence. Those crafty civilians intentionally disabling themselves to trick the IDF. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-r-cfc Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Just realised that picture is from the actual IDF twitter page. If it wasn't so despicable it would be hilarious 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest_Fifer Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I for one think the Israeli response is totally justified when faced with the disgusting war crimes of er, flying kites and tying a rope to a fence. If the Israelis don't want to deal with disabled civilians, maybe they should stop trying to make so many of them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 9 hours ago, Jmothecat2 said: I strongly support a two state solution and Israel's right to exist but how anyone can look at the Israeli government's actions this week and react with anything other than disgust and condemnation is beyond me. This was a provocative move by Trump in a country with a government happy to revel in the provocation and respond to the results of the provocation in the most brutal way. I understand that Israel needs to prevent the border from being breached and Hamas are doing this to provoke their own response from Israel but this does not come close to justifying the slaughter of so many Palestinians by the Israeli government. Watching people trying to justify Israel's actions because their political stance apparently necessitates it is making my skin crawl. Whilst many Israelis support a two state solution and abhor what is happening, the Israeli government does not and has not for many, many years. They claim to support it; they pay lip service to the concept in order to try to appear reasonable, but their real intentions are determined by their action rather than their words. As with the black population of South Africa under apartheid, direct action is the only option open to Palestinians and they will be labelled as terrorists just as the ANC was. But if you remove democratic political action as a tool there is nothing left. Whilst the world eventually applied pressure to the Apartheid regime there is no indication that this will happen in Israel, indeed individuals and companies who encourage and promote boycotts are often under attack themselves. Whilst the UN has tried to condemn the actions of the Israeli government they are continually stymied by successive US regimes. Individual countries have done little to support the Palestinian cause. It is ironic that countries such as Iran and North Korea are condemned for breaches of nuclear non-proliferation treaties whilst Israel’s development of nuclear weapons have been ignored; it is never even mentioned by our own government. So long as pro-Zionists such as May wield control and there is more coverage of exagerated anti-Semitism campaigns by Labour MPs who support this oppression then nothing will change. There are many brutal regimes in the world and there are many people who are as oppressed as the Palestinians and live in equally bad conditions, but there is no greater example of such oppression being actively supported by Western countries’ inaction and, in the case of the US, active support. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Ivanka opens the new embassy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmothecat2 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 https://www.thejc.com/news/world/senior-hamas-figure-admits-majority-of-gaza-border-deaths-were-terror-group-members-1.46421050 of those killed were apparently members of Hamas, not innocent protestors as it first appeared. This certainly doesn't absolve the Israeli decision but does give context to the situation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, Jmothecat2 said: https://www.thejc.com/news/world/senior-hamas-figure-admits-majority-of-gaza-border-deaths-were-terror-group-members-1.464210 50 of those killed were apparently members of Hamas, not innocent protestors as it first appeared. This certainly doesn't absolve the Israeli decision but does give context to the situation. I might believe that when I see a more neutral source. The only ones I've found are Israeli or the likes of Breitbart. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 24 minutes ago, Jmothecat2 said: https://www.thejc.com/news/world/senior-hamas-figure-admits-majority-of-gaza-border-deaths-were-terror-group-members-1.464210 50 of those killed were apparently members of Hamas, not innocent protestors as it first appeared. This certainly doesn't absolve the Israeli decision but does give context to the situation. You want to buy a bridge? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 https://www.thejc.com/news/world/senior-hamas-figure-admits-majority-of-gaza-border-deaths-were-terror-group-members-1.46421050 of those killed were apparently members of Hamas, not innocent protestors as it first appeared. This certainly doesn't absolve the Israeli decision but does give context to the situation. See if they were engaged in some kind of terrorist activity i’d say too bad, but they were fucking protesting an illegal occupation. 0 israeli soldiers have been injured recently, 0, israels own figures. They have rubber bullets, water cannons and lots of less lethal options open to them against people armed with stones. Israel is a terrorist state, committing atrocities against the Palestinian people. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 59 minutes ago, Jmothecat2 said: https://www.thejc.com/news/world/senior-hamas-figure-admits-majority-of-gaza-border-deaths-were-terror-group-members-1.464210 50 of those killed were apparently members of Hamas, not innocent protestors as it first appeared. This certainly doesn't absolve the Israeli decision but does give context to the situation. ...and over a 1000 shot, including journalists and doctors who were clearly marked. The Palestinians as an occupied people have a legal right to use violence to free themselves, not that you'll ever hear the MSM say that, but what you will hear is that Israel has a right to protect its borders...except Israel won't tell anyone where there borders are. I just wish our government would boycott that vile Apartheid state, but with over 80% of Tories in the Friends of Israel gang what chance that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 ...and over a 1000 shot, including journalists and doctors who were clearly marked. The Palestinians as an occupied people have a legal right to use violence to free themselves, not that you'll ever hear the MSM say that, but what you will hear is that Israel has a right to protect its borders...except Israel won't tell anyone where there borders are. I just wish our government would boycott that vile Apartheid state, but with over 80% of Tories in the Friends of Israel gang what chance that. Real friends tell friends when they’re being utter dicks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-calls-some-unauthorized-immigrants-‘animals’-in-rant/ar-AAxolvf?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Stunned that his foreign policy is all over the place:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44158566 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 According to some footage online he asked Bill Gates if HIV and HPV were the same thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 22 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: According to some footage online he asked Bill Gates if HIV and HPV were the same thing. And what about HGV? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted May 18, 2018 Author Share Posted May 18, 2018 On 5/17/2018 at 09:26, DA Baracus said: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-calls-some-unauthorized-immigrants-‘animals’-in-rant/ar-AAxolvf?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout M-13 buried paragraphs down The Trump-hating media are on his payroll, confirmed! #trump2020incoming 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 M-13 No bother M9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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