MarkoRaj Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Quite clearly wrong now m8. Loving the idea though that being '2/2 from penalties this season' - including a shin-roller effort against Queen of the South that a competent goalkeeper should have saved - is statistically significant. If Gaston or an absolute donkey like Oyenuga takes the grand total of two penalties, you'd also expect them to have a 2/2 record; you are expected to score from two successive penalties. That doesn't mean that they would be the best option to take another one though. When players who don't have the required technique or composure take on that duty over a longer sequence, their record then falls far beneath the expected conversion rate. Our failure to deal with penalties in a professional manner played a major role in costing us at least a point from Saturday's game. OK cool m8Was just saying that he clearly wasn't 'just taking them for a laugh' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Cowshed118 said: Why do you think your input should be taken seriously when you think our top goalscorer (from CB) should be dropped? Are you raging because you havent been able to use your top notch Lee 'Bonucci' Kilday patter? I see that you couldn't actually explain why a POTM award has any relevance to what we were discussing. Consider it dismissed then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 2 hours ago, vikingTON said: Those statements were already considered and rejected for the gormless, irrelevant nonsense that they are. As the facts above have sufficiently demonstrated. O'Ware is our top goal scorer, that's fact and far from irrelevant. You say it's not an "irreplaceable skill held by O'Ware" and it's an 'overrated goal threat' Just out of interest, who was the last CB to score 8 (EIGHT) goals before Xmas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scosha Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Dropping O'Ware would be madness when our strikers are going through a goal drought. Bad penalty and Ayr away aside, Tam has had an overall decent season so far and deserves his place in the side. Everyone had an off day on Saturday, just more focus on O'Ware due to him hitting a poor penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikedafc Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 you have just made that up haven't you?/ Load of rubbish! No Alan Johnston did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 14 hours ago, Colkitto said: O'Ware is our top goal scorer, that's fact and far from irrelevant. You say it's not an "irreplaceable skill held by O'Ware" and it's an 'overrated goal threat' Just out of interest, who was the last CB to score 8 (EIGHT) goals before Xmas? If you value his goalscoring contribution so highly, stick him up front where it would compensate for his relative shortcomings. The primary role of a central defender however is to defend and he is a distant third at that task within our current squad. Had we actually fielded our best central defensive partnership then we would not have been such an omnishambles at Dunfermline, regardless of the penalty. Those are the important facts that explain why we lost Saturday's game, and why we need to improve our back four to face a much tougher prospect on Saturday evening. 14 hours ago, Scosha said: Dropping O'Ware would be madness when our strikers are going through a goal drought. Bad penalty and Ayr away aside, Tam has had an overall decent season so far and deserves his place in the side. Everyone had an off day on Saturday, just more focus on O'Ware due to him hitting a poor penalty. He was piss poor in his position on Saturday and so doesn't deserve a place in the back four against Hibs. If Lindsay isn't fit then he could move into central midfield; he's also a better option up front than Oyenuga. When both Lindsay and Quitongo regain fitness, they should walk back into the team and O'Ware should then be placed on the bench. Perfectly straightforward stuff tbh. There is a greater focus on O'Ware* because we have a far better centre back sitting on the bench who could replace him: the same doesn't apply to Russell for example, who also had a very poor game. That's how 'competition for places' works; deal with it, *It's also not the case that "everyone had an off day" - Nesbitt had a good game on the left hand side, until Dunfermline realised that they could put two/three players on him because Oyenuga offered no threat in the centre. The attempt to write off the entire performance as an "off day" ignores the important lessons that should be learned from the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 18 minutes ago, vikingTON said: If you value his goalscoring contribution so highly, stick him up front where it would compensate for his relative shortcomings. The primary role of a central defender however is to defend and he is a distant third at that task within our current squad. Actually I prefer Kilday as CB, but O'Ware has played well at CB (gaining Championship Player of the Month award) and shouldn't be dropped for having one poor game. We also cannot afford to leave him out the side on his goal contribution alone - especially now that Quitongo is injured. For the Hibs game he should move to midfield if Lindsay can't make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Toun Clock Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 What's O'Ware's natural position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scosha Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 46 minutes ago, JFPar said: What's O'Ware's natural position? Centre back but he's played everywhere for us apart from out wide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 FWIW, we didn't put two/three men on Nesbitt - AJ wouldn't ever deviate from his open 4-4-2 system - it was just Williamson came on and being an actual right back was better positionally than Duthie who is a youngster who normally doesn't play RB and we got the ball more often to Higginbotham on our right so Nesbitt was having to track back more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed118 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 We've prbably dropped more points this season wih Kilday playing than we have with him not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 18 minutes ago, Salvo Montalbano said: FWIW, we didn't put two/three men on Nesbitt - AJ wouldn't ever deviate from his open 4-4-2 system - it was just Williamson came on and being an actual right back was better positionally than Duthie who is a youngster who normally doesn't play RB and we got the ball more often to Higginbotham on our right so Nesbitt was having to track back more often. Dunfermline regularly had two or three men within five yards of Nesbitt when he was well within your half of the park after Williamson came on. There's nothing wrong with that at all: it negated our best attacking threat, who tired towards the end of the game as well. Few sides in the division could do that when Quitongo is on the park though; the foul for the penalty shows how capable he is of taking a few players out of the game. Once the ringer came on you had the opportunity to target other areas of the park and saw the game out comfortably as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 16 minutes ago, Cowshed118 said: We've prbably dropped more points this season wih Kilday playing than we have with him not Because Kilday got injured prior to Lindsay and Murdoch shoring up what was an utterly gubbins central midfield. In fact, Kilday came off injured early in our last game against Dunfermline and was replaced by Lindsay who moved into midfield and ran the show. Our starting, first choice centre-back pairing that day was Gunning and Kilday and that remains our strongest partnership now. Fairly straightforward stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed118 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Whats your team for Saturday then champ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branch Ton Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 You should know by now that Champ does not do positive. His penchant is to criticise after the event. When making his case above for preferring Kilday the focus is on making destructive comments about O'Ware rather than any serious attempt to consider the precise strengths of both and how best the might fit in to how we might set up against Hibs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 You should know by now that Champ does not do positive. His penchant is to criticise after the event. When making his case above for preferring Kilday the focus is on making destructive comments about O'Ware rather than any serious attempt to consider the precise strengths of both and how best the might fit in to how we might set up against Hibs. Try reading the thread for comprehension instead of earning yourself yet more red dots, chump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Whats your team for Saturday then champ? My team for Saturday depends on the availability of our two injured first team players for that game champ. Regardless, it involves selecting our two best centre backs in those positions. O'Ware should play somewhere else in the team, assuming that Quitongo is out anyway. If both players are fit then O'Ware should be on the bench instead, which I've already made clear. It is remarkable to see quite so many gormless, "must defend oor Tam's honour!" efforts in a row though. He's an important part of the squad but isn't actually good enough to play in either our strongest back four or our strongest starting eleven; deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branch Ton Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 13 hours ago, vikingTON said: Try reading the thread for comprehension instead of earning yourself yet more red dots, chump. You were asked what your TEAM would be and still you witter on about our best two centre backs withouout saying who should play right and left side who the full back would be etc. Pretty vague and indecisive stuff from you here coach. Stay on task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 You can argue with VT all you want but he's making solid points. We certainly were getting ripped apart down the right until Williamson came on for Duthie. We also had Higgy tacking back to help out. He and McMullan's efforts to go back and defend was a big part of us winning on Saturday...as well as some handy assists from the Morton defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Branch Ton has rarely made a post that isn't about VT. Guy is obsessed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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