Big Rider Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Yes really. A condescending statement from you about people from a nothing state makes you sound like Murdo Fraser. What I do know is that it makes you sound like a fucking stupid Tory Brit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Officer Barbrady Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 3 minutes ago, Big Rider said: Yes really. A condescending statement from you about people from a nothing state makes you sound like Murdo Fraser. What I do know is that it makes you sound like a fucking stupid Tory Brit. Why would you prostrate yourself, or apologise for things you haven't been responsible for, at the feet of anyone? This notion of demented Republicans treating Scots any different from Brits (the same species, last i looked) is as ridiculous as it is inaccurate....and why is the fact that they might, seen as acceptable. I said it before, and again.....f**k 'em. The problem here is ultra-left Scots, not the citizens of the South. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 18 minutes ago, Big Rider said: Oh dear. Another bitter Brit. 7 minutes ago, Big Rider said: What I do know is that it makes you sound like a fucking stupid Tory Brit. It always cheers me up to visit the politics thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Officer Barbrady Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 10 minutes ago, DublinMagyar said: A nothing state? Yes. What else would you call inhabitants of a place who apparently need reassurance from Scots over their allegiances, while suckling at the Remain teat of big bad Britain without so much as a second thought? A very warped sense of history among this new political 'class'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, Officer Barbrady said: Why would you prostrate yourself, You're taking the piss now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Officer Barbrady Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: You're taking the piss now. Stick it up yer ar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Ah, trolling! I get it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 3 minutes ago, Officer Barbrady said: Stick it up yer ar... That yin goes along with posters who talk about having "a stella season". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Its not really a great article it's more like an extended live tweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 Hahah Scots were Brits in the 19th century and since I last checked, sometime in September 2014, we are still Brits. The idea that Scots weren't involved in British imperialism is delusional. People sometimes say that Scots were overrepresented. I don't know how you'd proof that so can't confirm but Scots definitely involved themselves in imperialism. Or is this a case of literal "no true scotsman" fallacy? The attempt to sidestep the leftist white guilt / colonial guilt narrative by saying "but...but...but..it wisnae us, it was the damn Brits!" is cowardly in the extreme. It was the Brits, the establishment. It's not difficult to understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Officer Barbrady Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Harambe Legion said: Which included Scots. Use your brain. You were talking about what the British Empire did in India. Well look: Commander of Chiefs - India: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_James_Napier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Ramsay,_9th_Earl_of_Dalhousie Governer Generals of India: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_John_Macpherson,_1st_Baronet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Napier,_10th_Lord_Napier Secretary of State for India: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Campbell,_8th_Duke_of_Argyll Who helped command the troops that put down Indian Rebels? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Campbell,_1st_Baron_Clyde - Born in Glasgow and Ireland? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Balfour - had a strong role in suppressing Irish farmer anger and opposing Home Rule for Ireland. Oh whats that? Founders of one of the companies involved in the Chinese Opium trade was founded by two Scots: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Jardine_(merchant) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Matheson The idea that the Scots were like Jamaicans, purely passive victims with no power or involvement in the British Empire, is a lie. A delusion or a lie. Balfour also bargained with the Rothschilds to hand Palestine over, for US intervention in WW1. What a guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 Yup, a proud Brit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Officer Barbrady Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 14 minutes ago, Harambe Legion said: Yes, leading to Hitler, the middle east mess and the bolshevik victory. Total disaster. But but but......he gave them their homeland back. In the eyes of the pseudo-Nats, he's a good guy. That's how fucking backward they all are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 On 11/12/2016 at 02:38, Harambe Legion said: Hahah Scots were Brits in the 19th century and since I last checked, sometime in September 2014, we are still Brits. The idea that Scots weren't involved in British imperialism is delusional. People sometimes say that Scots were overrepresented. I don't know how you'd proof that so can't confirm but Scots definitely involved themselves in imperialism. Or is this a case of literal "no true scotsman" fallacy? The attempt to sidestep the leftist white guilt / colonial guilt narrative by saying "but...but...but..it wisnae us, it was the damn Brits!" is cowardly in the extreme. If you look at history which of the following countries were/are warmongers: England France Ireland Scotland Or put it another way: Which country wanted tae rule over the other countries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 And I'm sure a proud Scot too. You're a brit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 2 hours ago, Harambe Legion said: It's a law of history that all nations, tribes, ethnicities etc. have attempted to rule over others and conquest others when they have the strength to do so. France/England did so more than Scotland/Ireland before 1707 as they were more powerful nations. As I have already shown above, after the act of union, Scots were willing participants in the ruling over of other peoples and putting down their rebellions etc. Aye, we belong tae a Union where our wishes are ignored. We are part of a Union where Big Brother is 9x the population of Scotland ergo 9x the voting power ergo the boss. We just dae as we are telt in the Union because we cannae change it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Officer Barbrady Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 3 hours ago, Wee Willie said: If you look at history which of the following countries were/are warmongers: England France Ireland Scotland Or put it another way: Which country wanted tae rule over the other countries? You never heard of the Darien Scheme then, i take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 You never heard of the Darien Scheme then, i take it. Aye sailing from my current home port of Leith presumably entirely crewed by "the English" masquerading as Scots would be colonialists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 That's unrelated to the point that I was making. In any case, yes I am a Brit but also a Scot. As are you in a technical sense. It's not part of your self-identity which is a fair opinion. Are you going to address the points I made earlier or are you sidestepping that? Also you might not believe me but I am not entirely against the idea of independence. It could be a very good thing and a good time to do it. What I am against is the cowardly definition of Scottish identity that is based on false history and being a "positive" identity to be contrasted to "racist" "colonial" English/British identity. I did. It's the whole rotten establishment that pushed this. The brit establishment made up of brits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, Harambe Legion said: Which clearly included Scots as well as I have demonstrated. Look at this short entry in wikipedia. I know it is wikipedia but the historical document is real. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jardine_Paper It shows that Scottish businessmen William Jardine was instrumental in persuading the British Foreign Minister to take Britain to war with China. So you are just 100% wrong here. His mother was probably English. Or his granny was. Or some of his cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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