jmothecat Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 My worry about Corbyn is the fear that once things settle down slightly that he will go back into the Corbyn we saw two months ago. As a campaigner he excelled but as leader of the opposition he struggled. I hope someone can tap into keeping 'Campaign Mode Jeremy' for the longer term. He's been hammering May this past few weeks and if he can keep that up, at PMQs, in the media whenever there is a government blunder (preferably surrounded by people angry about said blunder) then I think he could be an effective opposition. I still think there are some question marks, but his willingness to compromise has been genuinely heartening and whilst I sadly still don't think we will win an election under his leadership and longer term I do think we should be quietly trying to figure out the direction of the party, I have to admit he did better than I thought he would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 My worry about Corbyn is the fear that once things settle down slightly that he will go back into the Corbyn we saw two months ago. As a campaigner he excelled but as leader of the opposition he struggled. I hope someone can tap into keeping 'Campaign Mode Jeremy' for the longer term. He's been hammering May this past few weeks and if he can keep that up, at PMQs, in the media whenever there is a government blunder (preferably surrounded by people angry about said blunder) then I think he could be an effective opposition. I still think there are some question marks, but his willingness to compromise has been genuinely heartening and whilst I sadly still don't think we will win an election under his leadership and longer term I do think we should be quietly trying to figure out the direction of the party, I have to admit he did better than I thought he would. The direction of the party is glaringly obvious. You're not even admitting your ilk were wrong in how you acted towards him are you?Snakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 He has been doing well since the swathe of Labour policy announcements shortly before May called the election. He had an excellent campaign, but we already had a fair idea that he was a capable campaigner (particularly from the first leadership contest). The whole operation has become slicker lately, though; fewer unforced errors, starting to control the narrative, getting better at framing issues, and becoming more flexible in how Corbyn attacks the Tories - and even where he attacks them from. I made the mistake of assuming that campaigns didn't really matter, amongst one or two other things - I am genuinely glad that I was proved wrong. At least I'm not paid to write my opinions professionally, though. Whenever the next election is, Labour will just have to work on the basis that the Tory campaign can't possibly be as bad as it was this time around. Hopefully, whatever the final outcome of Corbyn's tenure electorally, he has sparked some sort of debate or conversation on issues such as intergenerational unfairness and the type of society/economy we want to be. That can only be a good thing, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Quote Another new Labour member who turned heads on his first day was Hugh Gaffney. The member for Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill followed in the footsteps of Labour legend Keir Hardie by wearing his old work shirt on his first trip to the Commons. Spying the ParcelForce logo on the former postie's shirt, someone apparently asked Mr Gaffney what he was supposed to be delivering: "justice for workers" came the prompt reply. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40286930 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 11 hours ago, strichener said: Well we'll know the next time a white paper is written that we can just ignore the contents. Seems an incredible waste of effort. Saying something is a "lifetime opportunity" is a common turn of phrase in the English language. Pretending that it means that it will definitely, absolutely happen only once in your lifetime is the kind of brainless, disingeuous pish I have come to expect from the fanatical yoon community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 I think I'm on record as saying that the problem with Tories is that they know the cost of everything and the value of nothing. Like human life, for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 On 15/06/2017 at 16:16, Loondave1 said: The Braveheart method of attack is kinda wore out now.Nobody cares whether Nats consider them patriotic Scots or otherwise.Quite right too. It's all about V-sign-flicking, Union Jack-flying, tank-riding, foreigner-hating British nationalism now, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 18 hours ago, strichener said: I don't know - show me their white paper on it and I'll let you know....oh that's right there isn't one. Interesting to see that you don't think that the Scottish Government should carry through with any of the white paper even when we were told that this was what was best for Scotland. Are you really saying that we shouldn't try to improve scotland (the thrust of the white paper) just because the referendum was lost. This is rather an interesting position to take given that Scotland's Future also covered areas that were not devolved at the time and now are. What a bizarre argument/tangent. The Scottish government should enact what it think is in the best interests of Scotland, in line with the commitments set out in the manifesto on which it was elected to govern. If any of them dovetail with what was in the 2014 white paper on an independent Scotland's future, so be it. What exactly is in the white paper and also in the 2016 manifesto that you believe is best for Scotland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 A key difference with Corbyn is that he now looks like someone who wants to be prime minister and he campaigned to win. Some felt previously that he saw general elections as an annoying distraction from the real contest - i.e. the next leadership election. Labour is looking more like a government in waiting than it did two months ago. If Jeremy Corbyn had some questionable friends - how could they be more questionable than Donald Trump? If Labour offers some pie-in-the sky solutions - how can that be any more ridiculous than £350 million a week towards the NHS if we leave the EU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbsouth Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 I do believe that it will all kick off very soon in Kensington......thoughts and prayers to all the Tories there.#nevertrustatory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 It's all about V-sign-flicking, Union Jack-flying, tank-riding, foreigner-hating British nationalism now, eh? Nah everything has moved on and only the phlegm flecked roasters playing that card now.Enjoy your phlegm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 See the socialist worker banners at the protest. Pretty poor show exploiting a tragedy for political exploitation. Wouldn't have went down well if folk had tried to make political capital last week out of the Manchester tragedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 BRALT procedure initiated:Is she dead yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: See the socialist worker banners at the protest. Pretty poor show exploiting a tragedy for political exploitation. Wouldn't have went down well if folk had tried to make political capital last week out of the Manchester tragedy. The Manchester Bombing protest was organised by your man Tommy Robinson and the EDL fuckwits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 1 hour ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: See the socialist worker banners at the protest. Pretty poor show exploiting a tragedy for political exploitation. Wouldn't have went down well if folk had tried to make political capital last week out of the Manchester tragedy. Working class residents getting shat on in richest council area in the UK. You are damn right this is political. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Aye its the socialist banners that have been the worst thing I've seen in London this week as well.Fucking priorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 This is inherently political. People tend to moan about "politicising" tragedies when they don't wish to be reminded that their politics causes death and human suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 How can May cite security reasons being behind her decision not to speak to survivors but the bloody Queen can manage it? I just can't watch this without getting really fucking angry with her. She's the worst Prime Minister of my life time, and that's before even bringing in her vile politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jute Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 1 minute ago, jmothecat said: How can May cite security reasons being behind her decision not to speak to survivors but the bloody Queen can manage it? I just can't watch this without getting really fucking angry with her. She's the worst Prime Minister of my life time, and that's before even bringing in her vile politics. Nonsense you lived under a prime minister who involved us in an illegal war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 See the socialist worker banners at the protest. Pretty poor show exploiting a tragedy for political exploitation. Wouldn't have went down well if folk had tried to make political capital last week out of the Manchester tragedy. Have a word with yourself. This will probably end with 100+ people being killed. This will be due to government policy, poor materials, poor workmanship, etc. Highlighting this to show what happens with the political choices we make is fine with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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