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My worry about Corbyn is the fear that once things settle down slightly that he will go back into the Corbyn we saw two months ago. As a campaigner he excelled but as leader of the opposition he struggled. I hope someone can tap into keeping 'Campaign Mode Jeremy' for the longer term. He's been hammering May this past few weeks and if he can keep that up, at PMQs, in the media whenever there is a government blunder (preferably surrounded by people angry about said blunder) then I think he could be an effective opposition.

I still think there are some question marks, but his willingness to compromise has been genuinely heartening and whilst I sadly still don't think we will win an election under his leadership and longer term I do think we should be quietly trying to figure out the direction of the party, I have to admit he did better than I thought he would.

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My worry about Corbyn is the fear that once things settle down slightly that he will go back into the Corbyn we saw two months ago. As a campaigner he excelled but as leader of the opposition he struggled. I hope someone can tap into keeping 'Campaign Mode Jeremy' for the longer term. He's been hammering May this past few weeks and if he can keep that up, at PMQs, in the media whenever there is a government blunder (preferably surrounded by people angry about said blunder) then I think he could be an effective opposition.

I still think there are some question marks, but his willingness to compromise has been genuinely heartening and whilst I sadly still don't think we will win an election under his leadership and longer term I do think we should be quietly trying to figure out the direction of the party, I have to admit he did better than I thought he would.


The direction of the party is glaringly obvious.

You're not even admitting your ilk were wrong in how you acted towards him are you?

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He has been doing well since the swathe of Labour policy announcements shortly before May called the election. He had an excellent campaign, but we already had a fair idea that he was a capable campaigner (particularly from the first leadership contest). The whole operation has become slicker lately, though; fewer unforced errors, starting to control the narrative, getting better at framing issues, and becoming more flexible in how Corbyn attacks the Tories - and even where he attacks them from. I made the mistake of assuming that campaigns didn't really matter, amongst one or two other things - I am genuinely glad that I was proved wrong. At least I'm not paid to write my opinions professionally, though. 

Whenever the next election is, Labour will just have to work on the basis that the Tory campaign can't possibly be as bad as it was this time around. Hopefully, whatever the final outcome of Corbyn's tenure electorally, he has sparked some sort of debate or conversation on issues such as intergenerational unfairness and the type of society/economy we want to be. That can only be a good thing, IMO. 

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Another new Labour member who turned heads on his first day was Hugh Gaffney.

The member for Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill followed in the footsteps of Labour legend Keir Hardie by wearing his old work shirt on his first trip to the Commons.

Spying the ParcelForce logo on the former postie's shirt, someone apparently asked Mr Gaffney what he was supposed to be delivering: "justice for workers" came the prompt reply.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-40286930

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11 hours ago, strichener said:

Well we'll know the next time a white paper is written that we can just ignore the contents.  Seems an incredible waste of effort.

Saying something is a "lifetime opportunity" is a common turn of phrase in the English language.  Pretending that it means that it will definitely, absolutely happen only once in your lifetime is the kind of brainless, disingeuous pish I have come to expect from the fanatical yoon community.

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On 15/06/2017 at 16:16, Loondave1 said:


The Braveheart method of attack is kinda wore out now.Nobody cares whether Nats consider them patriotic Scots or otherwise.Quite right too.

It's all about V-sign-flicking, Union Jack-flying, tank-riding, foreigner-hating British nationalism now, eh?

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18 hours ago, strichener said:

I don't know - show me their white paper on it and I'll let you know....oh that's right there isn't one.

Interesting to see that you don't think that the Scottish Government should carry through with any of the white paper even when we were told that this was what was best for Scotland.  Are you really saying that we shouldn't try to improve scotland (the thrust of the white paper) just because the referendum was lost.  This is rather an interesting position to take given that Scotland's Future also covered areas that were not devolved at the time and now are.

What a bizarre argument/tangent. The Scottish government should enact what it think is in the best interests of Scotland, in line with the commitments set out in the manifesto on which it was elected to govern. If any of them dovetail with what was in the 2014 white paper on an independent Scotland's future, so be it.

What exactly is in the white paper and also in the 2016 manifesto that you believe is best for Scotland?

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A key difference with Corbyn is that he now looks like someone who wants to be prime minister and he campaigned to win.
Some felt previously that he saw general elections as an annoying distraction from the real contest - i.e. the next leadership election.
Labour is looking more like a government in waiting than it did two months ago.

If Jeremy Corbyn had some questionable friends - how could they be more questionable than Donald Trump?

If Labour offers some pie-in-the sky solutions - how can that be any more ridiculous than £350 million a week towards the NHS if we leave the EU?

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It's all about V-sign-flicking, Union Jack-flying, tank-riding, foreigner-hating British nationalism now, eh?

Nah everything has moved on and only the phlegm flecked roasters playing that card now.Enjoy your phlegm.
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4 minutes ago, The Chlamydia Kid said:

See the socialist worker banners at the protest. Pretty poor show exploiting a tragedy for political exploitation. Wouldn't have went down well if folk had tried to make political capital last week out of the Manchester tragedy.

The Manchester Bombing protest was organised by your man Tommy Robinson and the EDL fuckwits.

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1 hour ago, The Chlamydia Kid said:

See the socialist worker banners at the protest. Pretty poor show exploiting a tragedy for political exploitation. Wouldn't have went down well if folk had tried to make political capital last week out of the Manchester tragedy.

Working class residents getting shat on in richest council area in the UK. You are damn right this is political.

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How can May cite security reasons being behind her decision not to speak to survivors but the bloody Queen can manage it? I just can't watch this without getting really fucking angry with her. She's the worst Prime Minister of my life time, and that's before even bringing in her vile politics.

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1 minute ago, jmothecat said:

How can May cite security reasons being behind her decision not to speak to survivors but the bloody Queen can manage it? I just can't watch this without getting really fucking angry with her. She's the worst Prime Minister of my life time, and that's before even bringing in her vile politics.

Nonsense you lived under a prime minister who involved us in an illegal war.

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See the socialist worker banners at the protest. Pretty poor show exploiting a tragedy for political exploitation. Wouldn't have went down well if folk had tried to make political capital last week out of the Manchester tragedy.


Have a word with yourself. This will probably end with 100+ people being killed. This will be due to government policy, poor materials, poor workmanship, etc.

Highlighting this to show what happens with the political choices we make is fine with me.
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