williemillersmoustache Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, pandarilla said: Don't you just love when folk support political parties like they do their football teams? It absolutely oozes maturity. Acht come on. Labour (as they will always do) put the union above everything else, including the possibility of them forming a government themselves. So f**k them, petty, insular politicking kept them out of No10 and I'm not allowed to find that in equal measures hilarious and worthy of the level of contempt I reserve for wasps or the kind of people who abuse animals? f**k them. They could not be deader to me and JC getting found out this week just throws into sharper relief the only choice for a Scottish voter, not into self-harm, is Indy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 As I may have mentioned before. f**k labour, in all of it's guises. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 5 hours ago, pandarilla said: Lovely? That this disgrace of a government get to carry on their merry ways just because you're done with Scottish labour? Labour aren't the party to carry the battle to the Tories so long as they have an identical approach to Brexit. We need a new opposition. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Corbyn is a self serving c**t. As soon as he said he'd side with Trident he lost all respect from me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd String Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Corbyn is a self serving c**t. As soon as he said he'd side with Trident he lost all respect from me. Trident is party policy at the moment. Only conference can change it. He had to back it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd String said: Trident is party policy at the moment. Only conference can change it. He had to back it. And with his supposedly massive mandate of party members he should now say back me or sack me, he's tied himself in knots on Brexit and Trident. He knows both are loser policies to engage idiots and little Englanders...f**k him he's selling out his life long beliefs for a bit of spotlight. Edited July 25, 2017 by dirty dingus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 People are expecting way, way too much from him. He's clearly opposed to nuclear weapons but he's also the leader of a democratic political party. He has to pick and choose the battles very carefully. Gung Ho on every issue would be suicidal. I think he's trying to tread a very difficult line with brexit - in a similar way to sturgeon with indyref2. Those who voted for brexit are a powerful voice in British politics (and not one necessarily well represented in the media). If he shows any real sign of backing out then again he'll be fucked in a lot of midland and northern seats. He's trying to wait it out and see the shit hit the fan for the Tory right. Not an easy balance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd String Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: And with his supposedly massive mandate of party members he should now say back me or sack me, he's tied himself in knots on Brexit and Trident. He knows both are loser policies to engage idiots and little Englanders...f**k him he's selling out his life long beliefs for a bit of spotlight. Maybe not so much a bit of spotlight, but for electoral practicalities? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 1 minute ago, pandarilla said: People are expecting way, way too much from him. He's clearly opposed to nuclear weapons but he's also the leader of a democratic political party. He has to pick and choose the battles very carefully. Gung Ho on every issue would be suicidal. I think he's trying to tread a very difficult line with brexit - in a similar way to sturgeon with indyref2. Those who voted for brexit are a powerful voice in British politics (and not one necessarily well represented in the media). If he shows any real sign of backing out then again he'll be fucked in a lot of midland and northern seats. He's trying to wait it out and see the shit hit the fan for the Tory right. Not an easy balance. Good actions give strength to ourselves and inspire good action in others. He's even let Kezia take the absolute c**t out of him and he's accepted it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd String said: Maybe not so much a bit of spotlight, but for electoral practicalities? Not the spotlight? It's the exact same thing, he'll cow toe to the establishment and wear ermine like the rest o them. Edited July 25, 2017 by dirty dingus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd String Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: Not the spotlight? It's the exact same thing, he'll cow toe to the establishment and wear ermine like the rest o them. I don't ever see Corbyn wearing Ermine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 I don't ever see Corbyn wearing Ermine. Not a chance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Good actions give strength to ourselves and inspire good action in others. He's even let Kezia take the absolute c**t out of him and he's accepted it. Kezia is an absolute joke figure. She's done nothing of the sort. But again she was elected by the Scottish labour party and so he can't just override her. You seem to be suggesting a revolutionary approach and I'm afraid there's very little chance of that being successful. Comparing him to new labour is massively underestimating him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Just now, pandarilla said: Kezia is an absolute joke figure. She's done nothing of the sort. But again she was elected by the Scottish labour party and so he can't just override her. You seem to be suggesting a revolutionary approach and I'm afraid there's very little chance of that being successful. Comparing him to new labour is massively underestimating him. Pish, Scottish branch office basically had their leader support the Tories and he's let it slide. He's carping from the sidelines as his branch manager sleeps with the enemy. He's spouting nice rhetoric with no real support, just an increasingly backtracking manifesto of hope. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Pish, Scottish branch office basically had their leader support the Tories and he's let it slide. He's carping from the sidelines as his branch manager sleeps with the enemy. He's spouting nice rhetoric with no real support, just an increasingly backtracking manifesto of hope. OK. That's a very strange reading of affairs but fair do's. I just think he sees kez as a bit of a non entity. He knows she's useless but what does he gain from taking her down? All he does is destroy the Scottish branch. Now I have no time for Scottish labour but how would that help him? He's going to struggle to win over left wingers in Scotland anyway due to the independence movement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, pandarilla said: OK. That's a very strange reading of affairs but fair do's. I just think he sees kez as a bit of a non entity. He knows she's useless but what does he gain from taking her down? All he does is destroy the Scottish branch. Now I have no time for Scottish labour but how would that help him? He's going to struggle to win over left wingers in Scotland anyway due to the independence movement. How can you say he sees Kezia as a non entity? Is Scottish Labour irrelevant? When the party of Scotland(not really for Scotland) before the nationalist surge had 45+ Mp's would they be classed as a periphery, especially with Scotlands pro Socialist leanings. Jezza is only coming to Scotland to save the Union, f**k all to do with defeating the Tories, So why should Scotland support this chancer? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 How can you say he sees Kezia as a non entity? Is Scottish Labour irrelevant? When the party of Scotland(not really for Scotland) before the nationalist surge had 45+ Mp's would they be classed as a periphery, especially with Scotlands pro Socialist leanings. Jezza is only coming to Scotland to save the Union, f**k all to do with defeating the Tories, So why should Scotland support this chancer? I didn't say Scotland should support labour. I certainly won't be. But I like corbyn more than I like anything else about labour. I hope he succeeds (ideally with snp support). He hasn't shown a massive interest in Scotland, because I think he realises this isn't a crucial fight for him. He has to be seen to support the branch office lot but by and large would be quite happy if the snp keep the Tories at bay (but he obviously can't say that publicly). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 That's a wild reading of Corbyn's politics. More concerned with preserving the union than defeating the Tories? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 OK fair does, but for me after 2014 Labour are the same as the Tories, defending the imbalanced union at all cost and to hold Scotland back. Corbyn is a sheep in wolves clothing, I remember him coming to Edinburgh and applauding the SNP and now he's blinkered to his England at all cost shit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, NotThePars said: That's a wild reading of Corbyn's politics. More concerned with preserving the union than defeating the Tories? Whys he not sacked the tory supporting leader of the branch office then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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