Polling: 2017 General Election, Council Elections and Independence

[John Lambies Doos]

ORB Scottish sub sample (142)

 

SNP 47%

Cons 24%

 

 

^ as above, slightly more statically significant...but worthless. Pleasing nonetheless.

I fully expect the only show in town to be hitting the streets like never before... and a 50 seat return on the cards.

 

 

[Big Fifer]

Tory lead cut to single figures in the latest Yougov poll.

[Bedford White]

Tory social care policies going down like a lead balloon down here. Attack the grey vote at your peril. Plus 1.5 million new voter registrations and as 95% of people over 65 are registered it can only be younger people. Corbyn now polling at Blair levels of 2005. If only the PLP had got behind him. Still if these figures are correct Tory majority will be under 50.

[John Lambies Doos]

Tory social care policies going down like a lead balloon down here. Attack the grey vote at your peril. Plus 1.5 million new voter registrations and as 95% of people over 65 are registered it can only be younger people. Corbyn now polling at Blair levels of 2005. If only the PLP had got behind him. Still if these figures are correct Tory majority will be under 50.

Get the evil cow and her party tae fuk. Mon!!!

[Bedford White]

Jez we can! Tories flapping!

 

 

[Kyle]

I BELIEVE. JEZ. WE. CAN!!!  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Still voting snp, mind. 

[Glenconner]

11 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Very small sample size of 92 etc, but the Scotland numbers on this poll made my jaw drop:

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/2017-05/pm-may-2017-tables.pdf

SNP 45%, Tories 43%, Lab 9%, Lib 2%, BNP 1%

Good to see your still around LLL, thought you'd jumped in the North Channel after Arlene did that stunt at Ibrox.

[Bedford White]

12 minutes ago, Kyle said:

I BELIEVE. JEZ. WE. CAN!!!  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Still voting snp, mind. 

Each to their own but when The SNP say this election is not about indy and with a proper socialist manifesto and leader gonna lend us yer vote to stop the tories at Westminster?

[Kyle]

Just now, Bedford White said:

Each to their own but when The SNP say this election is not about indy and with a proper socialist manifesto and leader gonna lend us yer vote to stop the tories at Westminster?

The last batch of labour MPs disappeared for 5 years after being elected, only to re-appear begging for votes again just prior to the next election having done nothing for the communities they were supposed to represent. Scottish Labour and Corbyn's labour are completely different animals and, frankly, I wouldn't trust them to run a bath let alone my constituency.

If there isn't a Tory majority (which will be won elsewhere and have nothing to do with what happens in Scotland, where the Tories could pick up about 10 seats on a very good night) then I'm sure the SNP, PC, Greens and perhaps the lib dems will happily push Corbyn over the line to win.

[DrewDon]

8 minutes ago, Bedford White said:

Each to their own but when The SNP say this election is not about indy and with a proper socialist manifesto and leader gonna lend us yer vote to stop the tories at Westminster?

Not sure how 'lending' your vote to Labour in Scottish constituencies - such as Perth and North Perthshire, which will be a two-way battle between the SNP and the Tories - is going to "stop the Tories at Westminster", tbh. 

[Bedford White]

Fair do's. Corbyn is a different kettle of fish to the past though. People say he can't lead. Stood up to those traitors in the PLP who tried their coup and now leads the biggest political membership in Europe. I think thats pretty strong and stable myself!

Edited May 21, 2017 by Bedford White

[Bedford White]

2 minutes ago, DrewDon said:

Not sure how 'lending' your vote to Labour in Scottish constituencies - such as Perth and North Perthshire, which will be a two-way battle between the SNP and the Tories - is going to "stop the Tories at Westminster", tbh. 

Plenty of second places last time I looked. The mandate for indy ref is a given after Holyrood elections. This one should be about stopping the Tories at WM.

[Kyle]

1 minute ago, Bedford White said:

Fair do's. Corbyn is a different kettle of fish to the past though. People say he can't lead. Stood up to those traitors in the PLP who tried their coup and now leads the biggest political membership in Europe. I think thats pretty strong and stable myself!

Kezia Dugdale said that people should vote for the Tories over the SNP in constituencies where labour are unlikely to win just this morning. Scottish labour is an utter disgrace, more interested in preserving a faltering union than actually standing up for the people who don't have a voice. 

[Bedford White]

1 minute ago, Kyle said:

Kezia Dugdale said that people should vote for the Tories over the SNP in constituencies where labour are unlikely to win just this morning. Scottish labour is an utter disgrace, more interested in preserving a faltering union than actually standing up for the people who don't have a voice. 

Against Labour Party rules to openly advocate voting for another party. Plenty have had their membership withdrawn.

[DrewDon]

Just now, Bedford White said:

Plenty of second places last time I looked. The mandate for indy ref is a given after Holyrood elections. This one should be about stopping the Tories at WM.

1) The SNP group at Westminster has provided a stronger and more coherent opposition to the Tories since 2015 than Labour has. 
2) Labour are currently polling at around 20% in Scotland, so a vote for Labour in many Scottish constituencies will make the election of more Tory MPs more rather than less likely.
3) Although a big Tory majority is now all but an inevitability, the SNP would not formally work with or prop up the Tories - which is more than can be said for some Labour council groups across Scotland. 
4) Votes for Scottish Labour will inevitably be spun more as a rejection of a second independence referendum rather than a vote for a Corbyn-led government at Westminster. 

[Kyle]

1 minute ago, DrewDon said:

1) The SNP group at Westminster has provided a stronger and more coherent opposition to the Tories since 2015 than Labour has. 
2) Labour are currently polling at around 20% in Scotland, so a vote for Labour in many Scottish constituencies will make the election of more Tory MPs more rather than less likely.
3) Although a big Tory majority is now all but an inevitability, the SNP would not formally work with or prop up the Tories - which is more than can be said for some Labour council groups across Scotland. 
4) Votes for Scottish Labour will inevitably be spun more as a rejection of a second independence referendum rather than a vote for a Corbyn-led government at Westminster. 

DrewDon's face turn has been glorious to behold  

[Bedford White]

9 minutes ago, DrewDon said:

1) The SNP group at Westminster has provided a stronger and more coherent opposition to the Tories since 2015 than Labour has. 
2) Labour are currently polling at around 20% in Scotland, so a vote for Labour in many Scottish constituencies will make the election of more Tory MPs more rather than less likely.
3) Although a big Tory majority is now all but an inevitability, the SNP would not formally work with or prop up the Tories - which is more than can be said for some Labour council groups across Scotland. 
4) Votes for Scottish Labour will inevitably be spun more as a rejection of a second independence referendum rather than a vote for a Corbyn-led government at Westminster. 

Dugdale was not a Westminster MP last time I looked. Neither is Davidson or Sturgeon. I totally agree about the fiasco in Aberdeen. But SLAB stopped it and should stop any other Con/ Lab local govt alliances, in the same way as SNP should have done the same in the past in Dumfries and their previous arrangement with the Tories at Holyrood. How anyone can get into bed with that lot is beyond me!

Edited May 21, 2017 by Bedford White

[Bedford White]

32 minutes ago, DrewDon said:

1) The SNP group at Westminster has provided a stronger and more coherent opposition to the Tories since 2015 than Labour has. 
2) Labour are currently polling at around 20% in Scotland, so a vote for Labour in many Scottish constituencies will make the election of more Tory MPs more rather than less likely.
3) Although a big Tory majority is now all but an inevitability, the SNP would not formally work with or prop up the Tories - which is more than can be said for some Labour council groups across Scotland. 
4) Votes for Scottish Labour will inevitably be spun more as a rejection of a second independence referendum rather than a vote for a Corbyn-led government at Westminster. 

Dont understand point 2. Labour in 2015 was the second party in majority of constituencies in Scotland. A big vote for the only UK socialist party with a chance of forming a govt harms the Tories at WM. Surely Scotland would prefer a socialist govt at WM than a Tory one. Corbyn gets a lot of stick from msm over brexit but returned a similar remain vote among Labour voters as Sturgeon did with SNP voters about two thirds. The current stalemate re brexit and indy referendum is not down to him.

Edited May 21, 2017 by Bedford White

[Kyle]

Labour have made themselves a unionist only party. They've made it perfectly clear any yes voter is not welcome - Thornberry said as much during question time in Edinburgh. I received literature for the recent council elections and all it mentioned was A VOTE FOR LABOUR IS A VOTE AGAINST A SECOND DIVISIVE REFERENDUM, with no mention of what they would do to improve the city. Scottish Labour don't deserve anything other than the utter shoeing that's coming their way. They've been out-union'd by the Tories in Scotland and offer absolutely no olive branches to people who voted yes in 2014 or support independence now. 

The SNP will never back the Tories. The argument saying that a vote for the SNP is a vote for the Tories is just complete shite for that very reason. Any SNP voter switching to labour in loads of parts of the country will help the Tories pinch seats, particularly in the borders, the North East, Perth and East Ren.

 

Edited May 21, 2017 by Kyle

[Glenconner]

YES voting SLAB members were spat at in the monthly meeting in Glasgow West branch following the 2014 referendum. The chairperson called the meeting to a halt. A number of long standing SLAB members never came back.