LongTimeLurker Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 49 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: During 2018-19 the EoS left what they would be doing at Tier 7 open ended to allow for as many new members or potential mergers between them and the East Region. They also are meant to have instigated the EoS/East Region meeting that took place outwith the PWG... Hopefully the people who are on the EoS board are a bit more forward thinking than some of the people posting on here. Fed up with the SJFA after the foxhole fiasco and the way you were misled about tier 6 entry last season, Fauldhouse? Come on over and join us at tier 8. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Hopefully the people who are on the EoS board are a bit more forward thinking than some of the people posting on here. Fed up with the SJFA after the foxhole fiasco and the way you were misled about tier 6 entry last season, Fauldhouse? Come on over and join us at tier 8.So the EoS should continue with a set-up which considers non-members first and foremost on the off chance they might join at some point in the future?Get a grip FFS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 ‘FFS!’ at the weather forecast for our teams game tomorrow as well! [emoji51]Try being at an U20 game tonight [emoji85] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: So the EoS should continue with a set-up which considers non-members first and foremost on the off chance they might join at some point in the future? Get a grip FFS. If they can see beyond the narrow self-interest agrenda of their own club over the next season or two and instead are thinking strategically about how to eliminate the whole debate on the PWG about the future status of the ERSJFA as quickly as possible they will. Edited January 10, 2020 by LongTimeLurker -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 If they can see beyond the narrow self-interest agrenda of their own club over the next season or two and instead are thinking strategically about how to eliminate the whole debate on the PWG about the future status of the ERSJFA as quickly as possible they will. So you want the EoS to consider non-members over members ad infitum? Perhaps you can explain what is vindictive and narrow minded about clubs wanting a set-up that suits them? Honestly, your dislike of the EoS does you no favours, your blinded, and it's getting tedious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: So you want the EoS to consider non-members over members ad infitum? Perhaps you can explain what is vindictive and narrow minded about clubs wanting a set-up that suits them? Honestly, your dislike of the EoS does you no favours, your blinded. No point discussing this further if you are going to come out with absurd nonsense like that last part and need to have it explained to you what would be vindictive about suddenly telling a club like Fauldhouse that they can only enter at tier 8 when no mention of this has been made in the notice about applying for membership that has been on the EoS website since the start of the season. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 No point discussing this further if you are going to come out with absurd nonsense like that last part and need to have it explained to you what would be vindictive about suddenly telling a club like Fauldhouse that they can only enter at tier 8 when no mention of this has been made in the notice about applying for membership that has been on the EoS website since the start of the season.You've lost the plot again, dear me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 No point discussing this further if you are going to come out with absurd nonsense like that last part and need to have it explained to you what would be vindictive about suddenly telling a club like Fauldhouse that they can only enter at tier 8 when no mention of this has been made in the notice about applying for membership that has been on the EoS website since the start of the season.There is currently no tier 8. Tier 7 is the lowest point in the eos. Coincidentally the level that all the ex ersjfa clubs (bonnyrigg, Linlithgow, Bo'ness, camelon, Dundonald, Broxburn, hill of beath etc) joined. Without even a whisper of discontent. But do continue suggesting the eos and all those clubs were wrong in what they did..... What I will point out, since you seem bizarrely stuck in the 'everyone else should change' tornado, is that every club, my own included, joined the pyramid and accepted whatever that looked like in order to access the greater level of football and what comes with it. If current ersjfa clubs don't wish to see beyond the sjfa's short sighted, self preservation approach for their own clubs future then so be it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 minute ago, G4Mac said: ...Coincidentally the level that all the ex ersjfa clubs (bonnyrigg, Linlithgow, Bo'ness, camelon, Dundonald, Broxburn, hill of beath etc) joined. Without even a whisper of discontent... Those clubs all joined at tier 6 and were not forced into a new tier 7 by the existing members. 3 minutes ago, G4Mac said: But do continue suggesting the eos and all those clubs were wrong in what they did..... What on earth is that all about? I was posting in favour of what the clubs that moved did at the time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 15 minutes ago, G4Mac said: Also, how can you be both open yet unchanging? Open = "We're the feeder league to the East of Scotland". Stated in multiple PWG meetings and with their members. Unchanging = "We're the feeder league to the East of Scotland". Stated in multiple PWG meetings and with their members. 19 minutes ago, G4Mac said: They didn't leave anything open for a merger. They invited applications from any clubs in the area for consideration, that is not a merger. I said they left "Tier 7 open ended to allow for as many new members or potential mergers between them and the East Region". At the time of the 2018 AGM where they set a 16 team 2019-20 Premier Division in stone and left everything else up to further discussion. If you don't believe following the junior exodus of 2018 that EoSFL wouldn't have entertained some sort of merger with the East Region, that's fine. I'm of the opinion no one knew what was coming round the corner. You don't believe that in spring last year when the Eos and East Region met outside of the PWG that a potential of some sort of merger could have taken place. Again, that's fine. Certainly plenty of discussion around here of what that meeting could lead to at the time. 52 minutes ago, G4Mac said: The conferences were a 1 or 2 year stop gap to allow for a structured set up in the longer term. They haven't hurt any of their members with anything they have done. In fact their long term members voted for this set up (the new clubs didn't get a vote at the time) I'm of the opinion that the likes of Eyemouth United would have preferred not to be in Conferences again this year. That they would have fielding a side this year if they had been some sort of 2nd Division. That's based on fielding a team in the EoSFL uninterrupted from 1968-69 through to 2018-19 finishing overall bottom several times, the preferences of the one regular Eyemouth poster on here and the last minute withdrawal when they came to the conclusion they couldn't put a team out. I have a similar opinion that if Craigroyston had been in a more competitive for them 2nd Division this year. Then they would have found a way to continue. Being a relatively small club i'm guessing they're having to stretch the same rough amount of money they would have for a 18-26 game league season over the 34 game league season and not knowing what comes next. That's maybe optimism on my part. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 42 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Hopefully the people who are on the EoS board are a bit more forward thinking than some of the people posting on here. Fed up with the SJFA after the foxhole fiasco and the way you were misled about tier 6 entry last season, Fauldhouse? Come on over and join us at tier 8. That's one club. If I remember right during the recent years of the Super-Premier-North/South set up. Fauldhouse were one of the few clubs left in the Juniors that were a Super/Premier regular. The vast majority of them were in the South Division most of the time. Which would basically work out to Tier 8 if the old East Region had ever joined the pyramid intact. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) When the mass defection happened the existing members saw the big picture and did what was best for the league and the pyramid and didn't force the newly joining clubs into a new tier 7 as part of a selfish self-interest agenda. If they had, the wave of defections would probably not have gone much further than Blackburn and Dalkeith. The strategic thing to do now would be to attract over as many more clubs as possible and kill off the ERSJFA as a credible league south of the Tay. To do that continuing with the conferences at tier 7 for at least one more season would be the intelligent way to go about it. Edited January 10, 2020 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: When the mass defection happened the existing members saw the big picture and did what was best for the league and the pyramid and didn't force the newly joining clubs into a new tier 7 as part of a selfish self-interest agenda. If they had, the wave of defections would probably not have gone much further than Blackburn and Dalkeith. The strategic thing to do now would be to attract over as many more clubs as possible and kill off the ERSJFA as a credible league south of the Tay. To do that continuing with the conferences at tier 7 for at least one more season would be the intelligent way to go about it. The league structure wasn’t agreed when the clubs moved. The existing members could have decided whatever structure they wanted and all the new clubs would have played in that structure. Edited January 10, 2020 by parsforlife 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 In theory the existing members could have done that but everybody knew at the time that the EoS board were recommending parallel conferences. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormi Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 29 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Those clubs all joined at tier 6 and were not forced into a new tier 7 by the existing members. When they joined tier 6 was the lowest. This season tier 7 is the lowest - Glenrothes and Kinnoul have both joined at tier 7. Next season tier 8 may be the lowest. Do you see the pattern? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 For goodness sake. Clubs like Eyemouth were one of the original clubs who voted for the current set up (original members were the only ones with a vote)You also quote pwg minutes that, in all honesty, would have been aswell being burned after printing. They were not a true reflection of the meetings, according to multiple sources, and were proven to be irrelevant when the sfa attended an eos meeting and didn't have the courtesy to know their own operating structure and practices. (unless minutes are written live, so all in attendance are happy during the meeting they are open to interpretation thereafter)The clubs that moved joined at tier 6. Some joined knowing they would retain tier 6 the following season, others joined knowing they would be tier 7 and potentially tier 8 in the next 2 years. They took the leap.Clubs shouldn't now join further up a structure above either a) the original members of that structure, or b) the members who took the leap of faith required 2 years ago. It really isn't realistic to think or promote otherwise.The eos has proven to be a massive success for the original members and the clubs that joined. Utilising Eyemouth and maybe Craigroyston to suggest it isn't what it was meant to be isn't proving a true reflection. For pretty much every other club, my own included, it has been a massive success. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Ormi said: When they joined tier 6 was the lowest. This season tier 7 is the lowest - Glenrothes and Kinnoul have both joined at tier 7. Next season tier 8 may be the lowest. Do you see the pattern? As stated previously I hope the EoS board are more strategic in their thinking than many of the people who post on here. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormi Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: As stated previously I hope the EoS board are more strategic in their thinking than many of the people who post on here. Why should e.g. Fauldhouse come in at tier 6 next season? By that logic all the teams that moved in 2018 should have gone into tier 5 (Lowland League). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Ormi said: Why should e.g. Fauldhouse come in at tier 6 next season? By that logic all the teams that moved in 2018 should have gone into tier 5 (Lowland League). I have been arguing that the tier 7 conferences should continue to be the lowest level and that should be the entry point for Fauldhouse. At no point have I suggested tier 6 entry for Fauldhouse. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormi Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: At no point have I suggested tier 6 entry for Fauldhouse. Apologies - neither you have. Edited January 10, 2020 by Ormi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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