Oor Nicola Sturgeon thread.

[BigDoddyKane]

1 hour ago, Detournement said:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/homenews/19567993.ministers-spent-500-000-public-money-broken-pledge-cheap-state-owned-energy-scots-poorest/

National energy supplier not happening. What a fucking surprise from Neoliberal Nic.

Her wee sidekick's Green Party have also dropped their support of the idea. Harvey is making Clegg look principled.

Sounds pretty similar mistake that was made by the UK government at the start of the oil boom

[Detournement]

26 minutes ago, Gordon EF said:

People who didn't want public energy supplier furious that Sturgeon decides not to form public energy supplier.

I want a public energy supplier.

 

[scottsdad]

The folk in the Braes near Falkirk have been well and truly shafted by Falkirk Council and Scottish Power. No gas in these places so the council installed wet electric systems that mean people paying about £600 a month on energy. A centralised power company might help this.

https://www.falkirkherald.co.uk/council-hq-demo-planned-over-extortionate-heating-bills-from-green-energy-product-3357410

[BigDoddyKane]

Public energy supplier was a good idea.

""No serious work even appears to have been done on this beyond press releases and now it has been officially dropped as government policy,"

the usual lack of substance behind the sound bites

[Gordon EF]

This story basically surfaced right before a whole raft of energy suppliers went bust, including some publicly owned / not for profit ones like Our Power and Robin Hood Energy. It's perfectly acceptable to think something is a good idea and then change your mind when circumstances change.

Shrieking "but they broke their promise!!!1111!" is a bit childish. 

The same goes for the Tories and the recent tax rises. Agree with the tax rise or the way it's done or not, but to not accept that manifesto pledges really should change when circumstances change significantly is idiotic. 

[Dawson Park Boy]

I note that CS Wind has gone bust.

Hey, Nikla, where are all the promised green jobs?

Do we actually make or own any wind turbines in Scotland?

Sounds a bit like the ferries and airport disaster.

 

[lichtgilphead]

9 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

I note that CS Wind has gone bust.

 

Exactly what does a private company, currently owned by a South Korean corporation with a history of accepting any grants going, then running companies into the ground and asset stripping have to do with the Scottish Government?

[Billy Jean King]

I note that CS Wind has gone bust.
Hey, Nikla, where are all the promised green jobs?
Do we actually make or own any wind turbines in Scotland?
Sounds a bit like the ferries and airport disaster.
 

What a holiday your having. You really are a total Walter Mitty !

[Dawson Park Boy]

2 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

57 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

I note that CS Wind has gone bust.
Hey, Nikla, where are all the promised green jobs?
Do we actually make or own any wind turbines in Scotland?
Sounds a bit like the ferries and airport disaster.
 

What a holiday your having. You really are a total Walter Mitty !

Holiday going great, thanks.

Just a little interlude before going out to dinner.

[Dawson Park Boy]

46 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said:

Exactly what does a private company, currently owned by a South Korean corporation with a history of accepting any grants going, then running companies into the ground and asset stripping have to do with the Scottish Government?

The point I’m making is - Where are all the thousands and thousands of green jobs coming from, as promised?

As far as I can see most of the wind turbine production seems to be overseas.

Do we have any Scottish, UK or foreign companies based here in Scotland making wind turbines?

 

 

[Dawson Park Boy]

2 minutes ago, TheBruce said:

Nationalise all industries strategically important to the nation.

Rail, buses, electricity, gas, water.

Power to the people.

 

Sounds great but doesn’t work.

[Burning Barns]

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HOLYROOD is changing its legal status to make it easier for the police to remove protesters.

Scottish Parliament bosses have asked the Home Office to designate the building and its grounds as a “protected site” in the interests of national security.

Legislation has now been laid in Westminster under the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 which is due to come into force on October 1.

At present, the police have limited powers to intervene if there is no substantive offence taking place, such as protesters making a prolonged noise outside the entrances.

 

But from next month it will be a criminal offence to remain on the parliamentary estate “without lawful authority” punishable by a £5000 fine or a year in jail after a conviction. 

The change, which will apply to all the landscaped grounds and ‘ponds’ area where most protests take place, brings Holyrood into line with Westminster and the Welsh Senedd.

Public gatherings are are an almost daily part of Holyrood life, with groups gathering to protest against Government policy, demand change or support a particular cause.

 

In the last week alone, hundreds of people have held demos in support of women's rights and against vaccine passports.

The grounds are also a popular place for relaxation in the summer.

residing Officer Alison Johnstone said that “in practical terms this offers grounds for removing those on site in contravention” of Holyrood’s estate management policy. 

This could apply to breaking up short-term protests, as well as preventing people setting up camps in the grounds, such as the pro-independence camp evicted in 2016. 

The area involved is defined in a map included with the new legislation, which shows that protesters could simply cross the street to avoid prosecution under it.

In a letter to MSPs, the PO stressed that the change would not affect the parliament’s policy of “welcoming and facilitating peaceful protest that respects the rights of others”.

 

She said: “We recognise that such protests are an essential part of the expression of democracy in Scotland.

“The SPCB [the cross-party MSP-led Scottish Parliamentary Management Body] does not foresee invoking this power frequently, and only in cases where visitors are in breach of the terms and conditions for use of the parliamentary estate.

“At present, the police have limited ability to intervene if there is no substantive criminal offence taking place, and disruptive protests can become especially prolonged.  

“Civil legal remedies can be lengthy, expensive and an additional burden on civil justice resources.

"The SPCB therefore recognised that we need a proportionate means of maintaining parliamentary business whilst protecting the rights and freedoms of people."

 

She added: “As we have seen many times recently, maintaining a functioning Parliament to deliver and oversee the response to the current pandemic has clearly been in the national interest. 

“We are also operating in the context of an increasing level of disruptive activity, including protests on our roof requiring specialist policing and emergency services response, and unauthorised occupation of the Debating Chamber. Actions such as these have the potential to disrupt the Parliament’s ability to meet.

“Given these factors, the SPCB has, for some time now, been considering options to ensure Parliament’s resilience, including applying for approval under section 129 of the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 (SOCPA) to be designated as a protected site in the interests of national security.

“At the SPCB’s meeting on 24 June 2021 we took the decision to proceed with the application for designation to the UK Home Office as the department with responsibility for national security. 

“Following approval, an Order was laid before the UK Parliament this week which is due to come into force next month, subject to the normal UK Parliamentary scrutiny process.

“Both the UK Parliament and Welsh Senedd are already designated as protected sites. 

“We were reassured to learn from their experience that having the designation as a protected site has not limited protest – far from – but has encouraged those engaging with the institutions to keep activities in line with their policies.

“SOCPA was enacted specifically to provide a solution to these competing tensions, to the extent that the right to protest and right to assemble at protected sites have already been balanced in law against the public interest in such sites being able to function safely and securely.

“The Act therefore provides an appropriate legal mechanism, providing the SPCB and Police Scotland with the required powers to effectively and safely manage access and security at the Parliament. Being a protected site maintains the right to protest in a manner which does not impede parliamentary operations whilst also giving police the power they need to support us.

“These powers must, of course, be exercised in a proportionate manner. The SPCB has asked officials to work up a protocol between us and Police Scotland which will set out how and when powers to arrest or remove persons from the site will be invoked and the essential role that the SPCB will play in such decisions.” 

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19570149.holyrood-protesters-face-criminal-prosecution-new-law/

Maybe I'm cynical, but I think in terms of motivation this has everything to do with last Thursday when women's rights protesters were audible outside while the FM was speaking, and not much else.  

Edited September 9, 2021 by Burning Barns

[lichtgilphead]

1 hour ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

The point I’m making is - Where are all the thousands and thousands of green jobs coming from, as promised?

As far as I can see most of the wind turbine production seems to be overseas.

Do we have any Scottish, UK or foreign companies based here in Scotland making wind turbines?

 

 

Firstly, wind turbines are not the only "green" energy source. I personally have an air source heat pump to provide my central heating & hot water. I'm sure that the local contractor that put it in didn't do it at cost price, so at least some of their workforce are getting paid for "green" jobs

Secondly, as you appear to be obsessed with wind farms, here's a list of companies that make their living from installing wind turbines. These are "green" jobs too.  www.scotsrenewables.com/wind.html 

Thirdly, Proven Energy of East Kilbride have been manufacturing and installing wind turbines since 1982 & claim to have over 3000 in the field. I suspect that they would also claim to have a "green" workforce.

Fourthly, wtf was the link between ferries, airports and wind turbines meant to be? I can only assume it was a desperate attempt at SNPbaaaaadery as I can't think of anything else.

0/4 - must do better

 

 

[Detournement]

4 hours ago, Gordon EF said:

This story basically surfaced right before a whole raft of energy suppliers went bust, including some publicly owned / not for profit ones like Our Power and Robin Hood Energy. It's perfectly acceptable to think something is a good idea and then change your mind when circumstances change.

Shrieking "but they broke their promise!!!1111!" is a bit childish. 

The same goes for the Tories and the recent tax rises. Agree with the tax rise or the way it's done or not, but to not accept that manifesto pledges really should change when circumstances change significantly is idiotic. 

The circumstances that changed were in 2017 they were worried about Corbyn taking votes from their left so announced a big populist policy. Now the threat from a left wing Labour Party is gone and wee Pat has taken the ministerial limo they can drop it and unashamedly cosy up to big business.

As Common Weal have said the SNP have spent 30 odd years correctly complaining about Westminster squandering the North Sea Oil money yet they are about to do exaclty the same with Scotland's renewable assets.

[Gordon EF]

14 hours ago, Detournement said:

The circumstances that changed were in 2017 they were worried about Corbyn taking votes from their left so announced a big populist policy. Now the threat from a left wing Labour Party is gone and wee Pat has taken the ministerial limo they can drop it and unashamedly cosy up to big business.

As Common Weal have said the SNP have spent 30 odd years correctly complaining about Westminster squandering the North Sea Oil money yet they are about to do exaclty the same with Scotland's renewable assets.

Of course you think this.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

The circumstances that changed were in 2017 they were worried about Corbyn taking votes from their left so announced a big populist policy. Now the threat from a left wing Labour Party is gone and wee Pat has taken the ministerial limo they can drop it and unashamedly cosy up to big business.
As Common Weal have said the SNP have spent 30 odd years correctly complaining about Westminster squandering the North Sea Oil money yet they are about to do exaclty the same with Scotland's renewable assets.

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[spongeheid15]

Nhs f*****, ambulance service f!!!!!, but rat face Sturgeon is only concentrating on a fake referendum campaign, trying to rewrite the meaning of pronouns, arguing the biological fact of gender and fuc**** up anything the c*** touches , it should be put on a ferry with her "convenient" husband Our Pete and Sent to a deserted island, O f**k it forgot the ferry's are 2 years behind. Never mind my free dental work must be due along with the laptops for schools!! 

[DublinMagyar]

And ........BOOM!

[Salt n Vinegar]

5 minutes ago, spongeheid15 said:

Nhs f*****, ambulance service f!!!!!, but rat face Sturgeon is only concentrating on a fake referendum campaign, trying to rewrite the meaning of pronouns, arguing the biological fact of gender and fuc**** up anything the c*** touches , it should be put on a ferry with her "convenient" husband Our Pete and Sent to a deserted island, O f**k it forgot the ferry's are 2 years behind. Never mind my free dental work must be due along with the laptops for schools!! 

Go and have a wee lie down, there's a good lad. 

[lichtgilphead]

3 minutes ago, spongeheid15 said:

Sweary rant

I'll put you down as a "No" then, shall I, petal?