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3 hours ago, Whitburn Vale said:

Don't be surprised if the bold TJ turns up this time next year as the man running the new West of Scotland senior league/s :whistle.

Next Year he may be in post before the end of June 2018 the way things are going. (assuming the clubs vote for him.) What a choice TJ or SR there would be a lot of spoilt papers or abstentions.

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Pyramidic

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Any info/updates from Sauchie Juniors? They appear to be the remaining club in the SJFA East Region Superleague yet to play their card (excluding clubs north of the Tay).

Will they be doing an Arniston Rangers and appear from nowhere as an EOS applicant?

 

NB: I still tend to think of Kennoway Star Hearts as a relegated club. Any news on them as well.

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15 minutes ago, Pyramidic said:

Any info/updates from Sauchie Juniors? They appear to be the remaining club in the SJFA East Region Superleague yet to play their card (excluding clubs north of the Tay).

Will they be doing an Arniston Rangers and appear from nowhere as an EOS applicant?

 

NB: I still tend to think of Kennoway Star Hearts as a relegated club. Any news on them as well.

Haven't seen anything publicly from either one. They've both been suggested as clubs that would be interested. Let's face it, that's basically everyone at this point.

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3 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Calendar of set meetings I could find. Be interesting to see what news comes from Broxburn since they voted against the current pyramid and are up first from the Superleague clubs making a decision.

Broxburn Athletic - 28th May https://twitter.com/BroxburnAth/status/1000428049106636800

Thornton Hibs - 28th May https://twitter.com/ThorntonHibsJFC/status/1000509791884673024

Bo'ness United- 29th May http://www.bonessunitedfc.co.uk/item.php?pg=news&pd=1009&it=237

St. Andrews United - 30th May https://twitter.com/standrewsutdfc/status/1001039852899590145

Dundonald Bluebell - Sometime this week https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-courier-advertiser-fife-edition/20180526/282673277992700

Jeanfield Swifts - Sometime this week https://twitter.com/JeanfieldSJFC/status/1000716901750886401

Linlithgow Rose - 4th June http://www.linlithgowrose.co.uk/


Will Bo'ness United be able to reach a decision tomorrow or is it safe to assume they will need a further meeting after 4th June when they should know the outcome of the Linlithgow Rose meeting?

I suppose the other question is why Linlithgow have arranged their meeting on 4th June - well after the 31st May deadline?  Is it because of:

  • Need to collect more information?
  • Current indecision in making a commitment?
  • Holidays?
  • Tactics? Lobbying?
  • Proper period of notice for members?
  • Longer period of grace for TJ and the SJFA to come up with the goods? 
  • Or are they just trying to get other clubs to make their own decision and not just follow Linlithgow's lead?

The last reason would indicate a very meritable approach in my opinion.

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11 minutes ago, Pyramidic said:


Will Bo'ness United be able to reach a decision tomorrow or is it safe to assume they will need a further meeting after 4th June when they should know the outcome of the Linlithgow Rose meeting?

I suppose the other question is why Linlithgow have arranged their meeting on 4th June - well after the 31st May deadline?  Is it because of:

  • Need to collect more information?
  • Current indecision in making a commitment?
  • Holidays?
  • Tactics? Lobbying?
  • Proper period of notice for members?
  • Longer period of grace for TJ and the SJFA to come up with the goods? 
  • Or are they just trying to get other clubs to make their own decision and not just follow Linlithgow's lead?

The last reason would indicate a very meritable approach in my opinion.

Or they have already applied, and expect the meeting on 4th to rubber-stamp the decision.

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18 minutes ago, Pyramidic said:


Will Bo'ness United be able to reach a decision tomorrow or is it safe to assume they will need a further meeting after 4th June when they should know the outcome of the Linlithgow Rose meeting?

I suppose the other question is why Linlithgow have arranged their meeting on 4th June - well after the 31st May deadline?  Is it because of:

  • Need to collect more information?
  • Current indecision in making a commitment?
  • Holidays?
  • Tactics? Lobbying?
  • Proper period of notice for members?
  • Longer period of grace for TJ and the SJFA to come up with the goods? 
  • Or are they just trying to get other clubs to make their own decision and not just follow Linlithgow's lead?

The last reason would indicate a very meritable approach in my opinion.

 

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Or quite simply the meeting had been arranged for that date as it's prior to the EoS AGM and the extended application deadline of 31 May hadn't yet been announced.
 

Yeah, I was double checking to see when it was announced. They did so on the 21st May which seems to have been before everything blew up again with the latest batch of moves. Think they may have announced so close to the EoS AGM expecting things to have blown over and focus on what the future would be. Rather than have a vote on EoS 2018-19.

They must have put in an application by now so as not to be caught short.

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4 hours ago, lithgierose said:

Where did montrose roselea go to a couple of seasons ago

 

4 hours ago, Jason King said:

And they had to start at the bottom - would Lochee want to go from finishing 5th or so in the East Superleague to being in the bottom tier of the North juniors.

So it's all right for diddy junior teams to start at the bottom when moving regions/leagues but big junior teams should start where they think they belong i.e. the top division?

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Will Bo'ness United be able to reach a decision tomorrow or is it safe to assume they will need a further meeting after 4th June when they should know the outcome of the Linlithgow Rose meeting?

The info that has emerged from Bo'ness on this is that Bo'ness heard from Newtongrange that they were leaving when they arrived to play against them on Saturday. Given they are one of the few traditional big clubs left in the superleague south of the Tay, this led to a string of panic driven phonecalls between the committees of Bo'ness, Lithgae and Broxburn on Saturday afternoon, who agreed that the best thing to do was to move to the EoS and to hold the club meetings needed to ratify this. We'll see what unfolds basically.

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5 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:

 

So it's all right for diddy junior teams to start at the bottom when moving regions/leagues but big junior teams should start where they think they belong i.e. the top division?

Just following Sevco's example ...

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16 minutes ago, Gimme said:

Or quite simply the meeting had been arranged for that date as it's prior to the EoS AGM and the extended application deadline of 31 May hadn't yet been announced.
 

Factually true. Theoretically could bring the meeting forward to say 6/6, but but 48 hours notification  of the change would surely be unacceptable ?

They may have made a 'subject to' application, but it is risky if the EoSL  'number of clubs -v- 2018/19 format'  becomes an issue ?  Even more so, if Bo'ness makes an application before the extended closing date on a "conditional basis" subject to Linlithgow the following week.

On this subject, when are the SFA  and WRJFA  AGMs being held ?  Also, any feedback from clubs on the suggested West/East' super-dooper' SJFA league ?

 

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Factually true. Theoretically could bring the meeting forward to say 6/6, but but 48 hours notification  of the change would surely be unacceptable ?

They may have made a 'subject to' application, but it is risky if the EoSL  'number of clubs -v- 2018/19 format'  becomes an issue ?  Even more so, if Bo'ness makes an application before the extended closing date on a "conditional basis" subject to Linlithgow the following week.

On this subject, when are the SFA  and WRJFA  AGMs being held ?  Also, any feedback from clubs on the West/East' super-dooper' SJFA league ?

 

Looking at when the announced the meeting and the date they arranged for the meeting, I don't believe the Linlithgow committee were intending to move to the EoS for 2018-19. Think the 4th June meeting was more likely to discuss what the future would like in 2019-20 the proposed Lowland Superleague/East Region/EoSFL.

EDIT: They'd announced they were having the meeting before the East Region even had their chance to present their 2018-19 league format.

 

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1 minute ago, Pyramidic said:

Sat, 16 Jun 18
SJFA AGM

Tue, 12 Jun 18
SJFA West Region : Management Meeting

Wednesday, 27 June 2018
SJFA West Region : Annual General Meeting
 

Thanks. The Agenda topics will be interesting, presumably circulated in advance of the meeting ?

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The info that has emerged from Bo'ness on this is that Bo'ness heard from Newtongrange that they were leaving when they arrived to play against them on Saturday. Given they are one of the few traditional big clubs left in the superleague south of the Tay, this led to a string of panic driven phonecalls between the committees of Bo'ness, Lithgae and Broxburn on Saturday afternoon, who agreed that the best thing to do was to move to the EoS and to hold the club meetings needed to ratify this. We'll see what unfolds basically.
It wasn't because it was specifically Newtongrange. The tipping point had been reached for the BU's and the Rose to have to make the leap.
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