LongTimeLurker Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, patriot1 said: Does the "manageable" 64 clubs at tier 6 include the Highland League. If so that means there is no room for the ERSJFA superleague. The EOS, SOS, WOS and HL would make the 64. HL are tier 5, but if it means the north superleague (possibly with some Tayside teams?) there is no room for the ERSJFA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriot1 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: HL are tier 5, but if it means the north superleague (possibly with some Tayside teams?) there is no room for the ERSJFA. It's been a long week!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, patriot1 said: Does the "manageable" 64 clubs at tier 6 include the Highland League. If so that means there is no room for the ERSJFA superleague. The EOS, SOS, WOS and HL would make the 64. Everything since November PWG related has been purely Lowland League area related. So it appears the North has been overlooked once again. He couldn't even get the number of clubs in the SoS correct and uses JJP instead of JPP in one sentence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 4 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: That's probably why the question was asked "Is there going to be two new SoS entrants" Very unlikely to be 2 new SoSL entrants, as there is a very limited pool of clubs in D&G. However, the SoSL did confirm that the deadline for applications to join, was 30th April 2019. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 5 hours ago, The Informer said: Good afternoon all As you are all aware, discussions have been ongoing for some time around the introduction of additional leagues at tier 6. Unfortunately it has not been possible to find consensus across all parties. The compromise proposal put forward at the last PWG meeting has not found support. Accordingly, there will be no change to the current Tier 6 format for the 2019/20 season. The SJFA have agreed to alter their disciplinary rules to mirror the JJP and will proceed on this basis from the start of season 2019/20. The Scottish FA will audit the arrangements put in place by the SJFA. The Pyramid Working Group will be re-convened during next season. We are grateful for all the feedback at PWG meetings and directly from clubs at the league general meetings. As well as the geographical imbalance at Tier 6 we are aware that there is uncertainty about the geographical boundary between the Highland League and the Lowland League which is something which can be addressed at a future PWG meeting. The PWG meetings identified that for those leagues participating at Tier 6 it should be the top division within that league which is formally part of Tier 6 – divisions below that will not be Tier 6. The East of Scotland Football League will be moving from three parallel conferences to a structure which has one division at the top. It is that new top division which will form part of Tier 6 for Season 2019/20. Therefore the number of Tier 6 clubs for Season 2019/20 will be 32 (16 from EoSFL and 16 of the 18 clubs in the SoSFL). Ultimately Tier 6 might comprise approximately 64 clubs and this would be a manageable number for the Scottish FA in terms of the JPP process "Ultimately Tier 6 might comprise approximately 64 clubs...." ?? 64 clubs is probably quoted to allow for a north of the Tay SuperLeague in the future at Tier 6, in addition to the West Juniors/League. The "geographical imbalance" and the HFL/SLL "boundary" are also highlighted as something which can be addressed at a future PWG meeting, which may help resolve this problem. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 To be fair, I think some of the members on here who were insisting the juniors as a whole would enter at tier 6 come what may, were posting in good faith based on information they had been told from club sources. At the time there was a lot of conflicting information and it was difficult to make judgements.Some were told lies and believed them, posting thinking what they were saying was true.However others deliberately spread lies to protect there own kingdoms, these are the rats we should be chasing out of their positions. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLad Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Theres not many worse feelings than when you show complete faith and belief in someone, when everyone around you and common sense tells you it cant be true.You feel like a mug for a while and it happens to everyone. You get over it.The important thing is that you never forget and never allow yourself to trust or put your future interests in the care of said people.If your football club allows these people within sjfa to merrily carry on, they are mugs and have learned nothing.Everyone gets mugged off, only a true mug comes back for more. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Clydebank have released a statement, board meeting this week to decide what to do next, fans to lobby board members over the weekend. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 18 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Clydebank have released a statement, board meeting this week to decide what to do next, fans to lobby board members over the weekend. https://www.clydebankfc.com/club-statement-pyramid/ Quote The club received the following email, confirming plans to be part of the Scottish FA Pyramid at Tier 6 from season 2019/20 will now not go ahead. “Good afternoon all As you are all aware, discussions have been ongoing for some time around the introduction of additional leagues at tier 6. Unfortunately it has not been possible to find consensus across all parties. The compromise proposal put forward at the last PWG meeting has not found support. Accordingly, there will be no change to the current Tier 6 format for the 2019/20 season. The SJFA have agreed to alter their disciplinary rules to mirror the JJP and will proceed on this basis from the start of season 2019/20. The Scottish FA will audit the arrangements put in place by the SJFA. The Pyramid Working Group will be re-convened during next season. We are grateful for all the feedback at PWG meetings and directly from clubs at the league general meetings. As well as the geographical imbalance at Tier 6 we are aware that there is uncertainty about the geographical boundary between the Highland League and the Lowland League which is something which can be addressed at a future PWG meeting. The PWG meetings identified that for those leagues participating at Tier 6 it should be the top division within that league which is formally part of Tier 6 – divisions below that will not be Tier 6. The East of Scotland Football League will be moving from three parallel conferences to a structure which has one division at the top. It is that new top division which will form part of Tier 6 for Season 2019/20. Therefore the number of Tier 6 clubs for Season 2019/20 will be 32 (16 from EoSFL and 16 of the 18 clubs in the SoSFL). Ultimately Tier 6 might comprise approximately 64 clubs and this would be a manageable number for the Scottish FA in terms of the JPP process” Clearly, this position has important implications for the club and the Clydebank FC board of directors will meet on Tuesday to discuss this further. In the meantime, if you have any questions please feel free to speak to any director at tomorrow’s game at home to Troon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 2 hours ago, superbigal said: Certainly means the PWG was a complete waste of time. Ironically, all of what's happened may have cleared the air at club level, paving the way for rapid progress from now on. Here's hoping so anyway. However, the individual SJFA Regions must stand up and show that they are up to running their own leagues and accept that it is for them to negotiate their own way forward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 2 hours ago, patriot1 said: Does the "manageable" 64 clubs at tier 6 include the Highland League. If so that means there is no room for the ERSJFA superleague. The EOS, SOS, WOS and HL would make the 64. Presumably it is EoS, SoS, WoS and NoS. The latter two being present SJFA Regions except for the north of Tay Bridge Juniors being brought into the Lowland League zone via the EoS? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 (edited) I do live in hope that someone with sense actually canvasses the ersjfa clubs to guage any interest in joining the pyramid, at tier 7, in the eosfl. Thereafter, I hope the wrsjfa clubs form a breakaway league, let's call it the wosfl for talkings sake. Then we can all actually get on with non league football whilst forcing the spfl to increase its promotion and relegation spots and do away with the play off. Then target getting licences back up and running too. Edited May 3, 2019 by Guest 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the rambler Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Way forward lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black & Red Socks Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 Theres not many worse feelings than when you show complete faith and belief in someone, when everyone around you and common sense tells you it cant be true.You feel like a mug for a while and it happens to everyone. You get over it.The important thing is that you never forget and never allow yourself to trust or put your future interests in the care of said people.If your football club allows these people within sjfa to merrily carry on, they are mugs and have learned nothing.Everyone gets mugged off, only a true mug comes back for more.I know this is only an Internet forum and I know that, as such, it means not a lot and doesn’t necessarily connect with those who make decisions but goodness me, what’s written above is spot on - surely Junior clubs now know it’s down to them to consider and understand that their future is theirs to decide and not for the charlatan in charge of the SJFA to do so?Disinformation will almost certainly now begin to be spread on that charlatans behalf - by the expected posters - because it has constantly been so previously but please, any clubs reading, please, please consider what believing that disinformation has lead you to in the recent past.This really is a seminal moment in the non-League game. For east and west clubs the email address of the EoSFL is easily found. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black & Red Socks Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 Clydebank have released a statement, board meeting this week to decide what to do next, fans to lobby board members over the weekend. My worry for Clydebank is that they were accepted as deferred members of the EoSFL last season but have distanced themselves from that league ever since. Indeed, someone close to the club (okay, in the past the very vocal Kilbowie Benches who has become the all but invisible Kilbowie Benches when things haven’t been quite what he said they were to be) has persistently bad mouthed all associated with the EoSFL and all who pointed out that there was a horrible flaw in the SJFA”s position re the Pyramid. His own position in the Club - whatever it is/was - is surely untenable if they wish to pursue meaningful engagement with the board of the EoSFL? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 My worry for Clydebank is that they were accepted as deferred members of the EoSFL last season but have distanced themselves from that league ever since. Indeed, someone close to the club (okay, in the past the very vocal Kilbowie Benches who has become the all but invisible Kilbowie Benches when things haven’t been quite what he said they were to be) has persistently bad mouthed all associated with the EoSFL and all who pointed out that there was a horrible flaw in the SJFA”s position re the Pyramid. His own position in the Club - whatever it is/was - is surely untenable if they wish to pursue meaningful engagement with the board of the EoSFL?1 fan does not a club make! I like to think most of us have been pretty supportive of the eosl clubs and very complimentary. Didnt agree with how KB conducted himself however im sure he feels pretty stupid now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: 1 fan does not a club make! I like to think most of us have been pretty supportive of the eosl clubs and very complimentary. Didnt agree with how KB conducted himself however im sure he feels pretty stupid now. Yeh but he was supposed to be a director 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 7 hours ago, Black & Red Socks said: ...Disinformation will almost certainly now begin to be spread on that charlatans behalf - by the expected posters - because it has constantly been so previously but please, any clubs reading, please, please consider what believing that disinformation has lead you to in the recent past... The silence has been deafening. Think the most damning indictment of the SJFA's leadership was the snippet that they were told in advance that the ERSJFA's restructure into a split format would not be acceptable to the SFA at tier 6 but ploughed straight on with it anyway, while still maintaining the posture that both east and west were already in for 2019-20. That suggests that the misinformation was internal as well as external and that it will be difficult to do anything similar as effectively again now that has been fully exposed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 Where does this actually leave clubs in the West? They have been fed months of misinformation and told a party line that appears to have been doomed since its inception. I have no connection to west clubs so remain in the dark what the reaction has been since this all came to light. I for one hope that this position is going to allow every club to fully assess their own future, without putting their faith in those in charge to do whats right,at least then we might see a wosfl feeding the LL at tier 6 the season after next. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 WRSJFA disaffiliates from the SJFA and affiliates directly to the SFA would be the best case scenario, but probably easier said than done. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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