Sergeant Wilson Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, ArabAuslander said: One of the issues of the West Region joining en massé is that there's no opportunity of an ambitious Amatuer club like Glasgow Uni, or Strathclyde or Oban etc. to join the pyramid at Tier 6. If they do join en masse, maybe the West Tier 6 league should be open to 12 Junior Clubs, and up to 4 clubs from elsewhere. Are they good enough to step in at that level? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Are they good enough to step in at that level? Well we don't know do we? If they are, then good, if they aren't then they'll quickly find their level as is the beauty of the pyramid. If Glasgow Uni are Scottish FA members, they should have first dibs to be parachuted into a Tier 6 West League. Edited February 8, 2020 by ArabAuslander 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Think most people realise that Option W won't be happening given what we are seeing coming directly or indirectly from SJFA and WRSJFA blazers, so it will almost definitely be a case of a WoS being organised initially as part of the LL, if it's going to launch by next season. Suspect a lot will depend on numbers interested and the attitide on this of Mother Kilwinning Club No. 0 and Clydebank. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 minute ago, ArabAuslander said: Well we don't know do we? If they are, then good, if they aren't then they'll quickly find their level as is the beauty of the pyramid. If Glasgow Uni are Scottish FA members, they should have first dibs to be parachuted into a Tier 6 West League. I'm sure you're morally right but in practice I think it might make the transition more difficult. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) So from what I can gather from a list of applicants to the WoS: (Will edit this when/ if it does change) Very Likely/Confirmed Applicants: Clydebank, Kilwinning Rangers, Whitletts Vics, Rutherglen Glencairn Likely Applicants: Irvine Meadow, Glasgow Uni, Girvan, Cumnock, Petershill, Possible Applicants (that haven't pinned their mast yet): Strathclyde Uni, Oban Saints, Pollok, Bonnyton Thistle, Darvel, Fauldhouse Utd, Rossvale Don't know: Everyone else Reluctant: Auchinleck Talbot Quite Unlikely Applicants: St Anthony's, Kilbirnie Ladeside, Edited February 8, 2020 by ArabAuslander 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sancho Panza Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 64000 dollar question for me, have the SFA rubber stamped the formation of this new WoSL ?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, ArabAuslander said: Well we don't know do we? If they are, then good, if they aren't then they'll quickly find their level as is the beauty of the pyramid. If Glasgow Uni are Scottish FA members, they should have first dibs to be parachuted into a Tier 6 West League. The way the Lowland League was set up was that the fully licenced clubs at the time were guaranteed a spot. There were only three at the time (Spartans, Threave Rovers, and Preston Athletic) which shows you how far the Lowland side of the pyramid has come since spring 2013. So i'm sure if an already licenced club were to apply for a WoSFL they would also be guaranteed a spot. Glasgow University probably won't be one though as set fixture lists and working around postponements might put unneccesary strain on their agreement on Airdrie's ground. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Sancho Panza said: 64000 dollar question for me, have the SFA rubber stamped the formation of this new WoSL ?? There is no WoSFL, so there's nothing to rubber stamp. As noted by the SoSFL they haven't even been involved in the discussions and they would also need to sign off on changes to the LL pyramid play-off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 64000 dollar question for me, have the SFA rubber stamped the formation of this new WoSL ??The SFA dont have to rubber stamp anything. They sfa dont run the leagues or interject in any leagues formation. They also support a west league in the pyramid.They have walked away from the pwg because they don't believe consensus will be achieved leaving the current door open. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Sancho Panza said: 64000 dollar question for me, have the SFA rubber stamped the formation of this new WoSL ?? If it's part of the LL initially, they don't really need to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Starko Rover Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 So from what I can gather from a list of applicants to the WoS: (Will edit this when/ if it does change) Very Likely Applicants: Clydebank, Kilwinning Rangers, Whitletts Vics Likely Applicants: Irvine Meadow, Glasgow Uni, Possible Applicants (that haven't pinned their mast yet): Strathclyde Uni, Oban Saints, Cumnock, Petershill, Rutherglen Glencairn, Pollok, Bonnyton Thistle, Darvel No Preference, so far: Everyone else Unlikely Applicants: St Anthony's, Kilbirnie Ladeside, Auchinleck Talbot Disagree with Talbot being unlikely they said a while ago they’ll see what others do, Talbot will go if the other big clubs go. Can’t really blame them they’ve probably got the most to lose joining the pyramid the Juniors works well for them and they are the dominant team so would probably rather this all just went away. However they’re clearly well run at board level and despite their Junior rallying call I’d be amazed if their board weren’t keeping tabs on both scenarios. They’ll go if the floodgate opens as they won’t want to be left behind. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sancho Panza Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, G4Mac said: The SFA dont have to rubber stamp anything. They sfa dont run the leagues or interject in any leagues formation. They also support a west league in the pyramid. They have walked away from the pwg because they don't believe consensus will be achieved leaving the current door open. My mistake, I thought the governing body would have an input. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 My mistake, I thought the governing body would have an input.They have tried to be involved in the process but ultimately dont have final say over anything. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: There is no WoSFL, so there's nothing to rubber stamp. As noted by the SoSFL they haven't even been involved in the discussions and they would also need to sign off on changes to the LL pyramid play-off. There may not even need to be a change on the pyramid play-off initiallty depending on the mechanics of how the WoS gets formed within the framework of an existing league body. If they rush it through this season, that's the kind of issue that could potentially be left to later when the WoS gets spun off as its own league with its own officeholders. The whole point of the LL/EoS statement is that the PWG process has reached a dead end, so they are just going to go ahead and do it themselves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 How many clubs are licenced in the West Region Juniors (or any others joining) currently that could be promoted to the Lowland League if they decided to jump ship? And of those that are Licenced, they still have to win the League to be part of a play-off. It does give clubs an incentive to improve their grounds that doesn't currently exist in the Juniors - it's looking likely that door is now shut (if it ever were really open). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 minute ago, theesel1994 said: How many clubs are licenced in the West Region Juniors (or any others joining) currently that could be promoted to the Lowland League if they decided to jump ship? And of those that are Licenced, they still have to win the League to be part of a play-off. It does give clubs an incentive to improve their grounds that doesn't currently exist in the Juniors - it's looking likely that door is now shut (if it ever were really open). From the Juniors, only Girvan are license and need to add floodlights by August to hold on to it. Glasgow Uni also have a License. A number of clubs could get a license very quickly if/when a WOSL or West Juniors join the pyramid - as you now need to be part of the pyramid to gain a license. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, theesel1994 said: How many clubs are licenced in the West Region Juniors (or any others joining) currently that could be promoted to the Lowland League if they decided to jump ship? And of those that are Licenced, they still have to win the League to be part of a play-off. It does give clubs an incentive to improve their grounds that doesn't currently exist in the Juniors - it's looking likely that door is now shut (if it ever were really open). Only 1 junior club in the west is licensed, Girvan (although they need to install floodlights to keep their license). In the amateurs, Glasgow University are licensed. No others in either the juniors or amateurs are at the moment, although plenty wouldn't be too far off and might start the process quickly if they join the WOSFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Cumnock and Petershill would have the inside track on getting licensed as they already have applications in. Many/most of the others might find the timeline challenging to be ready by the SFA's 2021 AGM as the audit would need to be in a little over a year's time at the latest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Starko Rover Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Cumnock and Petershill would have the inside track on getting licensed as they already have applications in. Many/most of the others might find the timeline challenging to be ready by the SFA's 2021 AGM as the audit would need to be in a little over a year's time at the latest.Talbot must be there about too if they joined as they tried to get licensed not long ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 From the Juniors, only Girvan are license and need to add floodlights by August to hold on to it. Glasgow Uni also have a License. A number of clubs could get a license very quickly if/when a WOSL or West Juniors join the pyramid - as you now need to be part of the pyramid to gain a license.No clubs in the juniors are currently licensed. (Girvan apart).The SFA set a June review date for any licence to be passed by the board and ratified. A february 28th deadline is also set for the licensing department to sign off after a club is audited.This would mean that many sjfa clubs would need to get things in place between now and next February if they were to be signed off for their licence in june 2021. I doubt everyone would meet these tight timescales given that none are currently playing in a pyramid league. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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