BS7 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 If you haven’t seen these, it’s a helpful visualization of non league Scottish football: https://www.easymapmaker.com/map/nonleaguescotland 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Marten said: Slightly offtopic, but if an SPFL club disappears now, how would they be replaced, would simply the winner of the HL/LL play-off get promoted with club 42 being safe, or do the usual play-offs take place and does the extra spot get opened for application? The SPFL is still probably open to application in that circumstance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 4 hours ago, Cameron Wilson said: It appears that the north juniors are acting independently of the rest of the JFA. Is that the case Robert? If im not mistaken they historically seem to be a bit detached from the rest - the fact their teams joined the HL without any drama in the past, the geographical distance, and also the fact that they are very much second fiddle in their area to a senior league. But if the north can go their own way, the east juniors can do the same, at least the south of the tay clubs, by joining the EOS. The NRJFA has been in decline since Inverurie, Formartine, Turiff, and Strathspey left to join the HFL. Also, ambitious Cove Rangers played one season in the North Juniors, and then decided to apply to join the HFL......in order to fulfil the club's longer term SPFL ambitions, which they felt couldn't be achieved by remaining junior. Look at them now ! Banks O'Dee also applied to join the HFL, but were not elected, apparently because the league didn't want to exceed 18 clubs in total. To achieve this, the 'group' of northern HFL (traditional') clubs supported the Speysiders (Strathspey Thistle) instead, even though Banks was the stronger club, thereby avoiding a 19 club league. Allegedly, TJ has never been very interested in the NRJFA. However recently he has taken more interest, stung no doubt by his original stance of 'one in/all in..... which has undermined his total unity position. Also, he has possibly/probably been taken by surprise that the North Caley has been having 'positive' discussions with SFA/PWG Reps about joining the pyramid. Yes, as you suggest, the South of the Tay (Fife) juniors, could/should join the EoSL......now. The West Lothian junior clubs, could apply to join the new WoSL, although they haven't (as yet) expressed any interest in joining the EoSL, as far as I am aware (?), or stay junior and enter into oblivion. Instead of remaining as part of the ERJFA, the north of the Tay juniors, could become a feeder league of the HFL (at tier 6), but again TJ doesn't seem to be in favour of this.....even though it is becoming increasingly unlikely that the HFL/SLL boundary will be moved. This West/East pyramid 'blockage' is a major reason why some WRJFA Junior clubs will apply to join a new independent league for 2020/21. Will TJ change his East/West together song at this week's WRJFA Management meeting ??? Too late. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestman54 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 49 minutes ago, Born To Run said: This week. hope its before the meeting on thursday 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 11, 2020 Author Share Posted February 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: As for the panic about West Lothian clubs choosing one league over the other. Long term when the WoSFL has divisions and the EoSFL has divisions it won't be such a concern. Of course it will. Take a drive along the same stretch of road and you could have Harthill (EoS) - Whitburn (WoS) - Blackburn (EoS) - Pumpherston (WoS) - Broxburn (EoS) - Heriot Watt (WoS). If Junior/Senior football didn't confuse the feck out of people, a policy like this would sure as hell will! You have to have some guidlelines in place over who is eligible for what league, just like the EoS turning down applications from Tayside clubs as it's not their area. I'm sure there will be. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer1969 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 9 hours ago, teamfinderscot said: I’ve created a poll on twitter folks if you wish to submit an answer, it’s very one sided so far, feel free to vote or share it. Will give a good accurate answer and put some figures against all those in favour of moving to pyramid or not. I’ll post results tomorrow. Glad to see someone has had the foresight to consider the players, who have perhaps so far been ignored/sidelined in this malarkey/skullduggery. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Just now, stanley said: ...There may be the occasional team that's on the borders of the boundaries... Fauldhouse are really not that far from Lanarkshire in a relatively short stroll sort of way. If there's going to be flexibility on Kello not having to go to the SoS (should they be interested), it's not that much of a stretch to give Fauldhouse a choice as well. Ditto for Harthill, Whitburn, Armadale and Stoneyburn in a declining order of geograhical suitability. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer1969 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Burnie_man said: Of course it will. Take a drive along the same stretch of road and you could have Harthill (EoS) - Whitburn (WoS) - Blackburn (EoS) - Pumpherston (WoS) - Broxburn (EoS) - Heriot Watt (WoS). If Junior/Senior football didn't confuse the feck out of people, a policy like this would sure as hell will! You have to have some guidlelines in place over who is eligible for what league, just like the EoS turning down applications from Tayside clubs as it's not their area. I'm sure there will be. North Lanarkshire/West Lothian border. Simples ! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, gaz5 said: To be fair, we were a bit of an outlier in the West. Our move to the EoS removed and anomaly, rather than created one and to be fair it was driven by our ambition to join the pyramid and there being no league in the West in which to do that. That said, like Burnie says if anyone can go anywhere in the new world and we have to choose between conferences at Tier 6 in the West with a top 6 finish to stay there or conferences at Tier 7 with a top 2 finish to get to Tier 6....... I'm obviously being a little provocative there to emphasise Burnie's point, we're more than happy in the EoS and haven't discussed anything other than our structure there for next season, which will hopefully be premier/first/second. It's also largely a single season concern. This idea that Fauldhouse are trying to "skip" tiers for some sort of advantage is probably the furthest thing from their mind. They sat out the pyramid in the first place. Now they're suddenly concerned about being Tier 6 or Tier 8? They're probably weighing up an unknown league format with clubs known to have little support and increased travel. Or on the other hand an unknown league format with clubs with strong support and increased travel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: Of course it will. Take a drive along the same stretch of road and you could have Harthill (EoS) - Whitburn (WoS) - Blackburn (EoS) - Pumpherston (WoS) - Broxburn (EoS) - Heriot Watt (WoS). If Junior/Senior football didn't confuse the feck out of people, a policy like this would sure as hell will! You have to have some guidlelines in place over who is eligible for what league, just like the EoS turning down applications from Tayside clubs as it's not their area. I'm sure there will be. WoW and how many clubs are actually doing that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 11, 2020 Author Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Doonhamer1969 said: North Lanarkshire/West Lothian border. Simples ! Indeed, I don't know why people would want to make another unfathomable mess of it. Mind you, this IS Scottish football......... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 11, 2020 Author Share Posted February 11, 2020 Just now, FairWeatherFan said: WoW and how many clubs are actually doing that? You're suggesting that this would be perfectly acceptable, afterall no boundary. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Marten said: Slightly offtopic, but if an SPFL club disappears now, how would they be replaced, would simply the winner of the HL/LL play-off get promoted with club 42 being safe, or do the usual play-offs take place and does the extra spot get opened for application? They've more or less left their options open. My feeling is that they would simply not relegate Club 42 and give the play-off winners the promotion spot automatically. C52: If, for any reason and during or after any Season, any Club ceases to operate or participate in or to be member of the League or any Play-Off Competition, its playing record in the League and/or any Play-Off Competitions may be expunged by the Board and/or the Board may determine the deemed score in the remainder of its Official Matches and/or the Board may take such steps and make such determinations as to League and Divisional position and/or promotion and/or relegation and participation and/or results in and outcome of any Play-Off Competition and/or any other Competition operated by the Company and any and all such further or other steps or measures as the Board shall consider appropriate in the circumstances. Edited February 11, 2020 by craigkillie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer1969 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Burnie_man said: Indeed, I don't know why people would want to make another unfathomable mess of it. Mind you, this IS Scottish football......... A definite border is needed, otherwise it could get very messy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer1969 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 25 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Stay in the East. They're armed to the teeth in Shotts. I remember that Blackridge sign, around 2001-2003, when i was resident in SubTropical Bathgate, with a six moth penance in Whitburn thrown in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer1969 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 10 hours ago, Burnie_man said: Getting desperate........ Dear All The outcome of the recent Pyramid Working Group and the subsequent statement from the Lowland League suggesting they intend “taking the process forward” has caused further consternation and uncertainty. I note that the statement doesn’t suggest any detail on how this process might work. It has been suggested elsewhere that “expressions of interest “ will be issued – however will, as suggested “every club in the Lowland area have the opportunity to progress through the Pyramid” or only a selected few. Its interesting to note that as far as I am aware, neither the EOS or LL have sought agreement as yet or received permission from the Scottish FA to form a new League(s) We have been consistent in advocating that the Pyramid void in the West of Scotland can be readily filled and administered by the existing West Region structure. We have also been seeking assurances that the North and East Regions are given the same fair and equitable opportunities Whilst it is not the intention to reschedule any further meetings of the PWG meantime, I am continuing communication with the Scottish FA and Rod Petrie has agreed to attend our Management Committee meeting on Thursday evening. I would ask that all clubs stay resolute at this time and hopefully it can be facilitated that we can process through the Pyramid from within the Junior structure. Regards Tom Johnston Scottish Junior FA What the.... ? is he actually dim ? '........as I am aware, neither the EOS or LL have sought agreement as yet or received permission from the Scottish FA to form a new League(s)'...... Erm, thats what 'taking the process forward ' means !!!! Did he read the Lowland League statement ?? Likely went in one ear and out the other. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 It's also largely a single season concern. This idea that Fauldhouse are trying to "skip" tiers for some sort of advantage is probably the furthest thing from their mind. They sat out the pyramid in the first place. Now they're suddenly concerned about being Tier 6 or Tier 8? They're probably weighing up an unknown league format with clubs known to have little support and increased travel. Or on the other hand an unknown league format with clubs with strong support and increased travel.I would suggest any club who are currently out of the pyramid, who had the choice between the possibility of playing at tier 6 in the west against the likes of petershill and clydebank or against tweedmouth and peebles at tier 8 in the east would most definitely choose tier 6 west in a heartbeat. To think this wont form part of any decision is either very naive at best or stupid at worst. Of course it will form a decision of a club. If that's the case would the wosfl accept a current eosfl member who is facing the possibility of tier 8 in the east? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Doonhamer1969 said: A definite border is needed, otherwise it could get very messy. The irony is that some of the people who are most insistent that Fauldhouse should have to go east are the same people that thought flexibility would and should apply on Luncarty in another relatively recent thread despite their registered ground being north of the Tay bridge latitude boundary. There's nothing on boundaries in the EoS and LL constitutions so far. The only place a fixed boundary gets mentioned is on the SPFL rules related to the Club 42 playoff. If Tweedmouth teams can play in the EoS and LL, how can people complain about clubs within a mile tops from Lanarkshire winding up in the west? I'd set a distance limit on flexibility. Harthill and Luncarty for sure no problems. Fauldhouse or Tayport is pushing it a bit. Whitburn and Armadale would be starting to get into taking the piss territory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 11, 2020 Author Share Posted February 11, 2020 The irony is that some of the people who are most insistent that Fauldhouse should have to go east are the same people that thought flexibility would and should apply on Luncarty in another relatively recent thread despite their registered ground being north of the Tay bridge latitude boundary. There's nothing on boundaries in the EoS and LL constitutions so far. The only place a fixed boundary gets mentioned is on the SPFL rules related to the Club 42 playoff. If Tweedmouth teams can play in the EoS and LL, how can people complain about clubs within a mile tops from Lanarkshire winding up in the west? I'd set a distance limit on flexibility. Harthill and Luncarty for sure no problems. Fauldhouse or Tayport is pushing it a bit. Whitburn and Armadale would be starting to get into taking the piss territory.Luncarty isn't the same as Fauldhouse lol is this your new pot to stir? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer1969 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: The irony is that some of the people who are most insistent that Fauldhouse should have to go east are the same people that thought flexibility would and should apply on Luncarty in another relatively recent thread despite their registered ground being north of the Tay bridge latitude boundary. There's nothing on boundaries in the EoS and LL constitutions so far. The only place a fixed boundary gets mentioned is on the SPFL rules related to the Club 42 playoff. If Tweedmouth teams can play in the EoS and LL, how can people complain about clubs within a mile tops from Lanarkshire winding up in the west? I'd set a distance limit on flexibility. Harthill and Luncarty for sure no problems. Fauldhouse or Tayport is pushing it a bit. Whitburn and Armadale would be starting to get into taking the piss territory. Anomalies are a pain in the you know what. Why complicate ? Keep things simple. As for Tweedmouth, dont ask me, ask the EoS ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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