Junior football, what is the future?

[Bestsinceslicebread]

4 hours ago, cmontheloknow said:

Just looking at it in black and white terms - Sena was never on a professional contract at Pollok so legal claims for any compensation below that will be minimal. If a development fee is paid, it is as you know, distributed among his earlier clubs.

Aged 16, Sena joined the PUSA academy in Sept '16, signed on a delayed transfer with Lok in Aug '17 and was released in October '17 to go to Thistle. That fell through due to red tape and after a brief stop at BSC, he re-signed as an amateur for Pollok (not PUSA) in Jan'18, leaving in September '18. He was with PUSA 13 months (Sept 16-Oct 17), including a close season. 

I do completely agree with your point about compensation and at every level of the chain, the bigger club tries to get the best deal for themselves.

 

As you probably guessed there are people who know exactly what happened  and how everything transpired, the reason for the red tape and other stuff that most ain't privy to and if or if not money was exchanged, development fee or not,
BUT
The main reason for me originally mentioning the situation it is that I believe that if most junior teams go down the senior route then a lot will rely heavily on their academy, or on an academy or local youth teams as an affiliation, so most best get their houses in order to make sure everyone knows all the in and outs up front and that no problems can arise. Basically, it for the good of Scottish football that teams flourish, especially with youth who are given the best chance possible to be developed.

 

There will definitely be teams joining the senior ranks who do not have the facilities, capabilities, money etc... to have an academy so if they connect with a youth team what can they do with these boys, a new rule on duel contracts for youth players in the senior ranks, maybe even at tier level

Edited March 7, 2019 by Bestsinceslicebread

[Robert James]

On 22/02/2019 at 20:58, glensmad said:

11th March

 

Assuming you are correct that the next PWG meeting is on Monday, has there been a Lowland League Board meeting since the previous one held in January 2019,  to consider its views on the situation in the East as highlighted by IM in January ?  I haven't read any subsequent posts on here, which reflect any agreement/disagreement, either posted as facts, or as rumours.  

Also, will the Highland League be represented at the 11/3/19 PWG, or is this another PWG sub group meeting ?  The SFA/SPFL/HFL/SLL border issue, has to be resolved at league & non-league level, even if the decision is NO CHANGE.

 

[Burnie_man]

Heard today there's an ERJFA meeting on Tuesday to decide format for next season;

Option a) The North/South Super and North/South Premier format (only 9 clubs in South Super)

Option b) Three Region set-up  North / Central / South  (single Divisions of varying sizes)

Option c) No change

[TheLad]

Heard today there's an ERJFA meeting on Tuesday to decide format for next season;
Option a) The North/South Super and North/South Premier format (only 9 clubs in South Super)
Option b) Three Region set-up  North / Central / South  (single Divisions of varying sizes)
Option c) No change

Options B & C will spark a new exodus.
Option A sounds pretty hellish too, if you are an ambitious club. All are set up for teams in the south having to be content for a wee kick about every Saturday with their neeburs.
Whitburn, Fauldhouse & Pumpherston should be having nothing to do with that, but probably will.

[Burnie_man]

6 minutes ago, TheLad said:

Options B & C will spark a new exodus.
Option A sounds pretty hellish too, if you are an ambitious club. All are set up for teams in the south having to be content for a wee kick about every Saturday with their neeburs.
Whitburn, Fauldhouse & Pumpherston should be having nothing to do with that, but probably will.

Well, option A will look something like

[TheLad]

Pumpherston guy that was at Spartans game last night thought the majority of their committee would go for option a, he felt they should have a go at c as he fancied having a go at the Tayside teams. Others outside the East juniors may not like it but the vast majority of the teams  would have little problem with option A

Not enough teams to morally fill one 'super' league, never mind two.

[TheLad]

Well, option A will look something like

Wow. That's awful.

[Burnie_man]

Option B?

 

[Burnie_man]

1 minute ago, gogsy said:

I'm not sure morality has anything to do with it, option A is clearly the best option for the teams that are in the East juniors

I have to say "status quo" is the only option that keeps the set-up credible, the other two options look horrendous.

[TheLad]

BM, stop calling them Super, it's really agitating [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]
Feck all Super about that South one.

[Burnie_man]

1 minute ago, gogsy said:

Status quo would see more teams leaving?

Well I think the saying is "between a rock and a hard place",   8 and 9 team divisions are barely credible, it's amateur frankly.  Maybe the best thing for them is for another 2 or 3 clubs to leave for EoS and just go for two regional divisions North and South (WL/Fife)

Frankly, clubs need to ask themselves if any of this is going to serve their needs long term  (if the ERJFA and EoS remain separate entities).

[Burnie_man]

1 minute ago, TheLad said:

BM, stop calling them Super, it's really agitating
Feck all Super about that South one.

I do believe the Super title will remain!

[FairWeatherFan]

19 minutes ago, gogsy said:

Status quo would see more teams leaving? And if the leagues were looking at 40 teams allegedly before Glenrothes jumped ship then there might be another three clubs to join we don't know about yet?

It was meant to be the current 36 + Bo'ness + Linlithgow + Breadalbane = 39

Probably hoping for at least one EoS to return.

Since then Glenrothes have applied for EoS and the Linlithgow team doesn't seem to have materialized.

[LongTimeLurker]

...and Coupar Angus look like prime candidates for going into abeyance. My only question would be how Tom Johnston could keep a straight face in PWG meetings claiming the ERSJFA can still be a credible tier 6 feeder for the LL if they go for option b?

 

[cmontheloknow]

Might as well post this here too...

 

[parsforlife]

Option B?

 

Ah yes, cos these leagues deserve equal footing to the EoS premier

[GNU_Linux]

...and Coupar Angus look like prime candidates for going into abeyance. My only question would be how Tom Johnston could keep a straight face in PWG meetings claiming the ERSJFA can still be a credible tier 6 feeder for the LL if they go for option b?
 

if this restructuring plan can be proven with hard evidence it'd be worth bringing up at the next pwg blazer get together. Its seemingly on the 11th which is a day before the rumoured ERJFA meeting.

[cmontheloknow]

19 minutes ago, gogsy said:

Which one of those two is Tom Johnston?

Well I'd say EoS (and P&B!) is Father Ted, and Maxwell is Father Dougal...I think Father Noel pops up in that episode... 

Edited March 9, 2019 by cmontheloknow

[Kilbowie Benches]

58 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

 

Ah yes, cos these leagues deserve equal footing to the EoS premier

 

Probably still better than the SoSL!

[LongTimeLurker]

True but the SoS primarily caters to a large and relatively remote area that other leagues for the most part (yes I know about Kello) don't have a presence in and probably have no huge desire to start traveling to. They have their niche in other words and most seasons won't have a licensed champion making their tier 6 status a non-issue. Meanwhile the problem the SJFA has is that the North region don't seem to care about being in the pyramid, and the East region may be about to vote in a return to a three way district feeder format that is clearly better suited for feeding into the EoS rather than the LL. At that point how does Tom Johnston maintain the posture that all three regions need to join at the same time at tier 6 when it's only really the West region that both wants to and deserves to?