parkcircus Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: So you're basing everything off of 2nd hand information. Stuff that TJ or Iain McQueen told you. Kilwinning Rangers FB which is probably being run by someone on the committee contacted TJ and said it was disbanded. Potentially 2nd hand as well. The Buffs Secretary called TJ, I’m the chairman and was sitting next to him, no idea how it could be second hand 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killiepiyo Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, andy25 said: Killepiyos went from part time tv man to Talbots official spokesman Away and get yourself lost. Been quite clear I'm asking for myself and asking for some sort of evidence that TJ and the club are lying as what is being suggested, perhaps you think thats above my station or you don't think thats important? Edited February 3, 2020 by Killiepiyo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killiepiyo Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 minute ago, parkcircus said: The Buffs Secretary called TJ, I’m the chairman and was sitting next to him, no idea how it could be second hand I was talking about the picture posted not the conversation and I dont think there was any doubt the working group was disbanded? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, parkcircus said: The Buffs Secretary called TJ, I’m the chairman and was sitting next to him, no idea how it could be second hand Because that's how second hand works. TJ was there so he has first hand knowledge of what happened. He then passed that information on to you and we only know of it because of you. So its 2nd hand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkcircus Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Just now, FairWeatherFan said: Because that's how second hand works. TJ was there so he has first hand knowledge of what happened. He then passed that information on to you and we only know of it because of you. So its 2nd hand. So all information is essentially second hand if you weren’t in the room? Does that make the information less valuable or accurate? We don’t belief TJ has lied at any point and why wouldn’t the LL and EOS object to Juniors at the same tier, it’s their league after all 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestsinceslicebread Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) Look this is all getting us no where. What I want to know is, where will Fort William end up in all of this Edited February 3, 2020 by Bestsinceslicebread 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Just now, Bestsinceslicebread said: Look this is all getting us know where. What I want to know is, where will Fort William end up in all of this Probably the HL, they might not even finish bottom this season (just need to play those 8 games in hand at some point) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 16 minutes ago, Robert James said: Probably true, but has the PWG been "disbanded" as stated on here ?. Only the SFA can confirm if that is true or not... Even the latest communique from the SJFA had info at the end that pointed in that direction. According to the TAJer, when asked what came next three times by Iain McQuuen of the SJFA, the SFA response was that there is no way to reconcile the postures of the EoS/LL and the SJFA so there is no point in scheduling any more meetings. That's clearly the end of the process. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killiepiyo Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 minute ago, gogsy said: Tom Johnston claimed in the Daily Record that it hadn't been. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/junior-football-pyramid-talks-hit-21403790 So telling Kilwinning secretary it had been and telling Daily Record the same day that it had, is that more misrepresentation? Personally I'd go with Kilwinning, unless something changed? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastyMan Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Killiepiyo said: So in somewhat collective summary what folk are saying is there was no recommendations by the pwg and it is false because the whole thing fell apart before they could. TJ lied regarding this to everyone. However there is no direct evidence of this but folk have told other folk and a chairman tweeted something that may have been to do with it? IF the PWG had made a recommendation then it would mean they had reached a consensus then we would NOT be having this debate. There's your proof!!! QED Edited February 3, 2020 by PastyMan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeforchange Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 I’m sure although I might stand to be corrected that all the West Region Clubs were sent paperwork outlining all the options to them and which was the preferred option before they all met at a club delegate meeting to decide their preferred choice 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, parkcircus said: So all information is essentially second hand if you weren’t in the room? Does that make the information less valuable or accurate? We don’t belief TJ has lied at any point and why wouldn’t the LL and EOS object to Juniors at the same tier, it’s their league after all Well on the basis of what occurs in a discussion you are not a part of, yes its second hand. That's just the nature of how the terminology works. And the reason I called it 2nd hand was to say it was not 3rd or 4th hand as suggested below. So I was actually defending/supporting your insight after it was derided 28 minutes ago, Killiepiyo said: There was a picture of the kilwinning facebook account saying they had contacted TJ and he confirmed it was disbanded. 3rd or 4th hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killiepiyo Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 21 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said: Killiepiyo - you are one hell of a devil's advocate tonight. Glad someone is getting me. There is over 1000 pages of speculation, folk getting called liars and just about everything else with little to no evidence to back anything up. This is the future of our game and folk are getting in hardened positions based on what someone says that someone else said etc. Reset button needed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 14 minutes ago, Bestsinceslicebread said: Look this is all getting us no where. What I want to know is, where will Fort William end up in all of this On telly, another doc celebrating shitness! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Killiepiyo said: Glad someone is getting me. There is over 1000 pages of speculation, folk getting called liars and just about everything else with little to no evidence to back anything up. This is the future of our game and folk are getting in hardened positions based on what someone says that someone else said etc. Reset button needed. You seem to be quite happy to accept the SJFA/Talbot view and demand evidence that what has been said is wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killiepiyo Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Burnie_man said: You seem to be quite happy to accept the SJFA/Talbot view and demand evidence that what has been said is wrong. SJFA are the folk in charge and the talbot people i know and work alongside, You suggested they weren't being honest with me and the supporters so I asked for any evidence of that, here were are how many pages later with nothing to back up what you said. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 Just now, Killiepiyo said: SJFA are the folk in charge and the talbot people i know and work alongside, You suggested they weren't being honest with me and the supporters so I asked for any evidence of that, here were are how many pages later with nothing to back up what you said. I've asked you several times to detail what the "recommendation" of the PWG was as claimed in the Talbot statement that the LL and EoS were supposed to have turned down, you can't answer because there was none. Agree? I've highlighted that the WRJFA clubs were advised the SFA and LL backed option Z (confirmed by people who were there), which was complete fabrication, so who lied? This is very important as clubs were being asked to back a proposal based on a lie, which they did. That proposal fell flat on it's face at PWG. Then we have TAJ's emailed "minutes", which the LL Chairman has implied were also a little loose with the truth (and missing important details as it happens), also backed up by the guy who does the LL podcast. On balance, do you perhaps think there might be something to the claims that people aren't being entirely honest? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cmontheloknow Posted February 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) Confirmation bias is a hazard. My own position, for what it is worth, is not far off Andy from Talbot's. Were I able to watch Lok week in, week out (and family circumstance prevents it), I would enjoy the local familiarity of games. I would enjoy the fact that i would be able to leave for most away games no earlier than 12 and be home no later than 6. I would not relish watching Lok struggle like Brechin City this season. But I do believe in the virtues of the pyramid, in teams finding their level. The SJFA is a pyramid in its own right. I don't see why there should be a concrete ceiling above it. That concrete ceiling has a hatch that allows Junior league winners and the cup winner through, but it is temporary. The SJFA has a proud history but it served a purpose in the past and in the amalgamation of the future, has not shown the leadership required (IMO) to stake a place. That leadership was (IMO) assuming responsibility and control for ALL football below the Lowland and Highland Leagues. The East of Scotland League was severely wounded by their big guns doing in 2013 what the East Junior big guns (and the rest) did to their own leagues in 2018. It was emaciated. It was evicerated. But even though that league, shorn of all its big names departing for the Lowland League, was ripe for a takeover, the SJFA didn't act because they were not on board with the pyramid. Teams showing interest were threatened with multi-division relegation upon any future return to the SJFA. That failure to act decisively was (IMO) a fatal error that leads us to the current situation where they find themselves, effectively cast aside from having a say with the disbandment of the PWG. I am sure it would have suited the SFA for that to have happened, for the SJFA to have assumed responsibility and control for all football below that level. When it came to it, what the SFA chief executives might have wanted couldn't happen because the EoS had quite firmly established itself as the de facto feeder in the East. Edited February 3, 2020 by cmontheloknow 28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Killiepiyo on that LongTimeLurker and Superbigal group chat shit -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 ^^^^A definite candidate for a one way trip in the yellow van to Bellsdyke. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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