Sticking up for Scottish Football

[Monkey Tennis]

3 hours ago, hellbhoy said:

The quality of the game in recent years has took a turn for the up and it has f**k all to do with the SFA or the fucking SPFL,

Clubs themselves have got a grip of their finances on their own and we are now reaping the benefits of seeing the quality of player in the league/s because they aren't servicing debts any more. Of course the corrupt associations might try to jump on the honest clubs hard work and try to grab the limelight to themselves by claiming it's because they did something or other to help the game flourish.

The Armageddon these corrupt associations peddled when a certain club was going down the tubes didn't help one iota in their quest to force a new club upon us or it was financial hell if we did not accept it.

The associations fucked a pretty decent SKY deal to go with Setanta for a poxy measly £1 million extra and when Setanta went bust they went back to SKY who then quite rightly fucked the SPL & SFA right over by offering a paltry amount or nothing. This in turn had a dramatic affect on the clubs finances who had already budgeted for a bigger pot of money from sponsors only to see themselves having to cut corners at seeing huge amounts of prize money disappear.

In all honesty all the senior clubs bar one should unite together and tell both the SPFL & SFA to get to f**k and that they were going to form a new independent impartial association/s that will benefit all clubs instead of a few suits in associations who are more concerned on how much extra bonus money they can screw us over for and covering up the biggest corruption event in world football.

It's time to tell them to get to f**k and get the clubs to form a new association that works for the clubs and not the few c***s desperate to keep their jobs.

Of course when you refer to the Setanta period, it was the grisly SPL that was concerned, a body set up purely out of greed and self preservation.  An utterly grubby set up that fed the OF idea that everyone needed them as it involved pulling up a drawbridge, then feasting on meagre crumbs.

For once, Rangers were not the major sinners in that narrative, despite your attempt to portray them that way.

[Monkey Tennis]

43 minutes ago, RussellAnderson said:

I'm interested in these stats. Are they top flight only or do they include the lower leagues? 

They include all the divisions.

A larger percentage of Scotland's population attends games than almost anywhere.  I think only one or two countries, with much smaller populations than even ours, can compete.

Obviously, that huge Scottish figure is not at all evenly distributed.  I think though that even if OF attendances were completely discounted, we'd still be relatively high up in overall attendance terms.  

This thread really needs some Hibee Jibee input, but it's true that in terms of other countries and in terms of historical attendances, Scottish football currently does well.

[Monkey Tennis]

1 hour ago, Jimmy85 said:

My word. I'll try to be even more sarcastic in future. 

Jeez.

I thought you might try to claim that the period between '55 and '65 represented an end to that immediate post war boom that had seen such huge gates in the late 40s and early 50s.

However, instead you're running with 'sarcasm'.  Remarkable stuff.

[hellbhoy]

38 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Of course when you refer to the Setanta period, it was the grisly SPL that was concerned, a body set up purely out of greed and self preservation.  An utterly grubby set up that fed the OF idea that everyone needed them as it involved pulling up a drawbridge, then feasting on meagre crumbs.

For once, Rangers were not the major sinners in that narrative, despite your attempt to portray them that way.

I didn't blame it all on Rangers. It was put forward as one of the things the associations did that tarnished the game with plenty of negative spin that clubs would have gone to the wall and gone bust if we didn't do as they said.

The amount of negative news and the like only brought our games appeal down to floor level nearly, and I mean across the whole game not just one club. These c***s just used Rangers to beat down the league and the game and didn't even once release any positive news until the other clubs pulled themselves together financially and now they have the bare faced fucking cheek to take credit for things other clubs did to make themselves solvent.

The positive thing that has come from 2012 is that clubs are financially stable and they are gradually producing a better product for all fans to watch and enjoy.

[Monkey Tennis]

4 minutes ago, hellbhoy said:

I didn't blame it all on Rangers. It was put forward as one of the things the associations did that tarnished the game with plenty of negative spin that clubs would have gone to the wall and gone bust if we didn't do as they said.

The amount of negative news and the like only brought our games appeal down to floor level nearly, and I mean across the whole game not just one club. These c***s just used Rangers to beat down the league and the game and didn't even once release any positive news until the other clubs pulled themselves together financially and now they have the bare faced fucking cheek to take credit for things other clubs did to make themselves solvent.

The positive thing that has come from 2012 is that clubs are financially stable and they are gradually producing a better product for all fans to watch and enjoy.

I don't know that 2012 played a particular part in instilling a sense of financial realism.  I think that became enforced over a number of years and was actually pretty independent of the entire Rangers saga.

What 2012 and its aftermath did was expose the lie that our game is entirely reliant on a series of annual OF fixtures.

The biggest benefits of the Rangers episode - aside from the obvious hilarity - came in the form of one governing body for all the national leagues, the creation of play-offs for the top tier and for the pyramid beneath the fourth one, as well as a sensible relaxation of stadium criteria.

[hellbhoy]

Just now, Monkey Tennis said:

I don't know that 2012 played a particular part in instilling a sense of financial realism.  I think that became enforced over a number of years and was actually pretty independent of the entire Rangers saga.

What 2012 and its aftermath did was expose the lie that our game is entirely reliant on a series of annual OF fixtures.

The biggest benefits of the Rangers episode - aside from the obvious hilarity - came in the form of one governing body for all the national leagues, the creation of play-offs for the top tier and for the pyramid beneath the fourth one, as well as a sensible relaxation of stadium criteria.

 

Amazing what the smaller clubs can do when they unite under a common cause, the pyramid system should have been implemented years ago giving smaller non league clubs the chance to play on a bigger stage and also improve the grass roots level where they are likely to have got their playing squad in the first place. Funny how it only came into fruition after they needed something from the smaller clubs eh?

[Ranaldo Bairn]

46 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Jeez.

I thought you might try to claim that the period between '55 and '65 represented an end to that immediate post war boom that had seen such huge gates in the late 40s and early 50s.

However, instead you're running with 'sarcasm'.  Remarkable stuff.

If you look up "fucked it" in the dictionary, there's just a hyperlink to James' efforts here.

[EdTheDuck]

19 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

I don't know that 2012 played a particular part in instilling a sense of financial realism.  I think that became enforced over a number of years and was actually pretty independent of the entire Rangers saga.

What 2012 and its aftermath did was expose the lie that our game is entirely reliant on a series of annual OF fixtures.

The biggest benefits of the Rangers episode - aside from the obvious hilarity - came in the form of one governing body for all the national leagues, the creation of play-offs for the top tier and for the pyramid beneath the fourth one, as well as a sensible relaxation of stadium criteria.

spot on. if proof were needed at a time when Hearts and Hibs fucked up too by being relegated look no further than Aberdeen. utter collapse of attendance WITH rangers in the league 27% increase in attendance without rangers in the league. Fans turn out for THEIR team, no one else

[Booker-T]

2 hours ago, Tartantony said:

 

 

I remember something from when I was at school that claimed the downturn of families and couples attending football from early 60's onward was a catalyst for football violence to really take off in 1980s.... and it was things like TV and more disposable income kept women away from attending games....

i can't imagine "going as a family" and standing in those overcrowded terraces with guys pissing into bottles etc  

[Monkey Tennis]

10 minutes ago, EdTheDuck said:

spot on. if proof were needed at a time when Hearts and Hibs fucked up too by being relegated look no further than Aberdeen. utter collapse of attendance WITH rangers in the league 27% increase in attendance without rangers in the league. Fans turn out for THEIR team, no one else

I could go further towards buying the 'good for the game' argument if gates were pooled or even shared, but they're not.

The only clubs to benefit from massive OF crowds are the OF.  The SPL TV contract was designed to do the same thing.  Nothing about those clubs concerned a greater good at all.  That's why the crippling of Rangers and the attendant diminishing of Celtic contained no downside.

It's a shame that the best of it, with its sharing of trophies, now seems to be behind us.

[Monkey Tennis]

5 minutes ago, Booker-T said:

I remember something from when I was at school that claimed the downturn of families and couples attending football from early 60's onward was a catalyst for football violence to really take off in 1980s.... and it was things like TV and more disposable income kept women away from attending games....

i can't imagine "going as a family" and standing in those overcrowded terraces with guys pissing into bottles etc  

I don't think football had anything resembling a family audience in the boom years before the sixties.

[EdTheDuck]

3 minutes ago, Booker-T said:

I remember something from when I was at school that claimed the downturn of families and couples attending football from early 60's onward was a catalyst for football violence to really take off in 1980s.... and it was things like TV and more disposable income kept women away from attending games....

i can't imagine "going as a family" and standing in those overcrowded terraces with guys pissing into bottles etc  

you're absolutely right, this was some kind of Thatcherite double-think.  There had never been a family presence at football. Throughout the 40s and 50s men worked on a saturday morning, went to the pub then went to the fitba. It was the gentrification of society and 'family' days out that done for football

 

[Booker-T]

3 hours ago, Jimmy85 said:

 

You might have heard of this small thing called World War 2? Would've had a negative impact IMO.

 

[Booker-T]

3 minutes ago, EdTheDuck said:

you're absolutely right, this was some kind of Thatcherite double-think.  There had never been a family presence at football. Throughout the 40s and 50s men worked on a saturday morning, went to the pub then went to the fitba. It was the gentrification of society and 'family' days out that done for football

 

that seems about right.... 

 

7 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

I don't think football had anything resembling a family audience in the boom years before the sixties.

I didn't think so either 

[7-2]

6 minutes ago, EdTheDuck said:

you're absolutely right, this was some kind of Thatcherite double-think.  There had never been a family presence at football. Throughout the 40s and 50s men worked on a saturday morning, went to the pub then went to the fitba. It was the gentrification of society and 'family' days out that done for football

Which is why games kicked off* at 3pm on a Saturday afternoon.

Any midweek games, pre floodlights, were Wednesday pm because the shops used to shut then.

 

*sadly now having to use the past tense. #amf

[jagfox]

Scottish football needs a strong Conor Sammon! Also, the swing towards the OF and away from local teams also came about with the increase in private cars.

[EdTheDuck]

1 minute ago, jagfox99 said:

Scottish football needs a strong Conor Sammon! Also, the swing towards the OF and away from local teams also came about with the increase in private cars.

the private car in conjunction with dual carriageways and motorways.When it took 4 hours to drive the Austin A40 from Kilmarnock to Ibrox on a dirt track (1960s) folks just went to support their local team.probably...

 

[jagfox]

8 minutes ago, EdTheDuck said:

the private car in conjunction with dual carriageways and motorways.When it took 4 hours to drive the Austin A40 from Kilmarnock to Ibrox on a dirt track (1960s) folks just went to support their local team.probably...

 

Indeed, now you can get a Conor Sammon from Edinburgh to Glasgow in just under an hour...

[EdTheDuck]

6 minutes ago, jagfox99 said:

Indeed, now you can get a Conor Sammon from Edinburgh to Glasgow in just under an hour...

In the 50s and 60s no one could drive anywhere in an hour, thanks to Labour socialism everyone had to drive BMC and then British Leyland cars and they were designed to break down after 40 minutes

 

[Hawkeye the Gnu]

Sticking up for Scottish Football?

 

Stick up for your father, cause your father stuck up for you.............

 

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