tirso Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 I'm very aware of that. Doesn't mean they are in power.Also never heard of this English news site but it reads like a briefing for the mildly interested Costa del sol British. Not a mention of PNV and Catalan parties which may hold sway and a huge part of the debate. Feeling now is it's very close to call. Regardless people still in preventative prison while nuanced political debate being done about the rights and wrongs of it. I know what side I'm on rather than talking meaningless irony. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) Proper Poll reported in the equivalent of "the Scotsman" in Catalunya. https://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20190405/461465702740/partidarios-independencia-suben-barometro-ceo-referendum.html 52% majority in favour of independence 80% of all catalans in favour of a referendum 60% of unionist PSC catalan voters favour a referendum 40% of unionist PP catalan voters favour a referendum Separate poll: Increased independence majority in the Catalan Parlment and increased seats in Madrid. Leftist ERC now largest independence party. Looking like the key to the Spanish Socialists having power. Their leaders still in prison 18 months after the arrest They still haven't completed the trial and they go back to jail every day since November 2017. Two of the defendants are not even politicians. They have been in jail since October 2017. Edited April 5, 2019 by tirso 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 Proper Poll reported in the equivalent of "the Scotsman" in Catalunya.https://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20190405/461465702740/partidarios-independencia-suben-barometro-ceo-referendum.html 52% majority in favour of independence 80% of all catalans in favour of a referendum 60% of unionist PSC catalan voters favour a referendum 40% of unionist PP catalan voters favour a referendum Separate poll: Increased independence majority in the Catalan Parlment and increased seats in Madrid. Leftist ERC now largest independence party. Looking like the key to the Spanish Socialists having power. Their leaders still in prison 18 months after the arrest They still haven't completed the trial and they go back to jail every day since November 2017. Two of the defendants are not even politicians. They have been in jail since October 2017. Madrid are doing even more for the cause of Catalan independence than Westminster are doing for Scottish. I'm surprised to see it's not more than 52%.Then again there hasn't been a big shift in numbers here either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 Proper Poll reported in the equivalent of "the Scotsman" in Catalunya.https://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20190405/461465702740/partidarios-independencia-suben-barometro-ceo-referendum.html 52% majority in favour of independence 80% of all catalans in favour of a referendum 60% of unionist PSC catalan voters favour a referendum 40% of unionist PP catalan voters favour a referendum Separate poll: Increased independence majority in the Catalan Parlment and increased seats in Madrid. Leftist ERC now largest independence party. Looking like the key to the Spanish Socialists having power. Their leaders still in prison 18 months after the arrest They still haven't completed the trial and they go back to jail every day since November 2017. Two of the defendants are not even politicians. They have been in jail since October 2017.Spain are so dumb imprisoning the Catalan leaders... That's how martyrs emerge... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 (edited) On 4/6/2019 at 20:09, welshbairn said: Madrid are doing even more for the cause of Catalan independence than Westminster are doing for Scottish. I'm surprised to see it's not more than 52%.Then again there hasn't been a big shift in numbers here either. It's sort of a mirror image of the Scottish polling. Essentially all polling shows a majority 52-55% in favour, the same way No is almost always a majority in Scotland. Polling was as high as 56-9% around the time of the disputed referendum. Basically there almost certainly is a majority (as the 2017 referendum strongly implied) but too complicated to 'declare' as a certainty. Although I completely understand why it was declared given the lack of options and the probable majority in the country. What almost everyone believes in is the 'right to decide'. Edited April 8, 2019 by tirso 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Looks like the Catalan independence parties will be giving power to the fascists in Spain by voting down the ruling Socialist Party's budget. Find out on Sunday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Looks like the Catalan independence parties will be giving power to the fascists in Spain by voting down the ruling Socialist Party's budget. Find out on Sunday. Totally, not the millions of people voting for them in Spain. Horrific take on affairs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kuro said: Totally, not the millions of people voting for them in Spain. Horrific take on affairs. They chose to take sides with the fascists because they thought that independence was more important than fighting fascism. f**k knows why. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: They chose to take sides with the fascists because they thought that independence was more important than fighting fascism. f**k knows why. Did they aye? Or did they choose to vote down a budget they don't agree with? I suppose you think the SNP are responsible for Thatcher too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 19 minutes ago, Kuro said: Did they aye? Or did they choose to vote down a budget they don't agree with? I suppose you think the SNP are responsible for Thatcher too. They voted against the budget because they were trying to get their pals out of jail. It didn't work, now there will be a fascist party supporting a right wing party running Madrid. The Catalan parties are idiots. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 43 minutes ago, welshbairn said: They chose to take sides with the fascists because they thought that independence was more important than fighting fascism. f**k knows why. Of course independence is the most important thing. Everything else is secondary. 15 minutes ago, welshbairn said: They voted against the budget because they were trying to get their pals out of jail. It didn't work, now there will be a fascist party supporting a right wing party running Madrid. The Catalan parties are idiots. Your endless hand-wringing and hysteria always add to the gaiety of the nation, even though they're seldom based on anything resembling reality. https://www-independent-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/spain-election-polls-psoe-pp-vox-far-right-podemos-catalonia-a8887731.html?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&&usqp=mq331AQCCAE%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From %1%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworld%2Feurope%2Fspain-election-polls-psoe-pp-vox-far-right-podemos-catalonia-a8887731.html -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 14 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Of course independence is the most important thing. Everything else is secondary. Really? I'd put basic human rights first, but each to their own. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Really? I'd put basic human rights first, but each to their own. Then you should've said so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Then you should've said so. I did. Just then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: They voted against the budget because they were trying to get their pals out of jail. It didn't work, now there will be a fascist party supporting a right wing party running Madrid. The Catalan parties are idiots. What an incredibly juvenile take on events. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 25 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Really? I'd put basic human rights first, but each to their own. You mean human rights like democracy and self determination? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kuro said: You mean human rights like democracy and self determination? Yes. Catalonians voted by 95% for the Spanish Constitution, with a turnout of 68%. Them's the rules. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: Yes. Catalonians voted by 95% for the Spanish Constitution, with a turnout of 68%. Them's the rules. When was this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Tibbermoresaint said: When was this? When they voted for it with a huge majority. If they've changed their minds they should be persuading other regions to get behind them and change the constitution, rather than crying their eyes out about paying a bit more than Andalucia because they're rich. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: When they voted for it with a huge majority. In which year did this happen? It's nice of you to tell the Catalans what they should do. I'm sure they'll give your views the importance they deserve. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.