Bring Back Paddy Flannery Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 The Stellios incident looks even worse in the highlights. What an absolute fanny. I hope Froxy curls one out on his pillow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Just as a wee aside, we've already won as many games this season as we did in the whole of last season in all competitions: 2016/17 P43 W9 2017/18 P24 W9 Massive credit to Stevie for that. Also think it says an awful lot about the impact that Durrant has had on the club since his arrival - long may it continue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 That's fucking disgusting from Stelios. It says everything when not a single team mate flinched or even reacted. His whole 'aghast' performance when the ref pulls the red makes it even worse as well. It's a horror show and an awful excuse for a challenge. He's looked at the guy 3 times before he's hit him, what in the f**k was he even thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddist Monk Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 If there was a game to miss, it seems like it was this one, so in that sense I'm glad I avoided this mess. From reports it seems like we were just off the pace all day long, with the red card simply changing the outcome from a likely draw and possible victory to a likely loss. Dumbarton should get a lot of credit though, as you can only beat what is put in front of you, and it doesn't matter if that is a team at the top or the bottom of the league. I've looked at the sending off a couple of times and I know that people will think that I am being bias but I see that far more as just a clumsy challenge with trailing arms than anything else. The ref gave a red and I can see why, but look at the replay he's not even looking at the player, his eyes are on the ball all the time. I need a different angle but I'd put it down to bad judgement than necessarily malicious. I could talk more about Stellios but I'll be surprised if he's still with us come the end of the January window. At his best he is a great asset - in short doses - yet at his worst he is a game loser. Now, the red card shouldn't be used as the cause of our defeat, albeit it's clearly a catalyst. It just seems like we weren't at the races. We are not Celtic, no matter how many signs we put up , so we should not expect long unbeaten runs but, all in all, I'm still a lot happier at the way this season is going than last. I'd much prefer this game being looked at as a missed chance to turn the screw on United rather than a huge pothole in the road that will cause instability in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: That's fucking disgusting from Stelios. It says everything when not a single team mate flinched or even reacted. His whole 'aghast' performance when the ref pulls the red makes it even worse as well. It's a horror show and an awful excuse for a challenge. He's looked at the guy 3 times before he's hit him, what in the f**k was he even thinking? Reilly already has his hands on his head before the red comes out, as clear a red you'll see all season. As you say the whole shocked "what did I do?" act is cringeworthy. I didn't make the game yesterday but were Stelios and Wardrop having niggles with each other before that incident? It seems strange to fly in with your elbow aimed at someones face for no reason whatsoever, didn't appear to be any ill will in the game either, a few strong clashes but nothing dirty going by the highlights. Total madness from Stelios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paddy Flannery Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Reilly already has his hands on his head before the red comes out, as clear a red you'll see all season. As you say the whole shocked "what did I do?" act is cringeworthy. I didn't make the game yesterday but were Stelios and Wardrop having niggles with each other before that incident? It seems strange to fly in with your elbow aimed at someones face for no reason whatsoever, didn't appear to be any ill will in the game either, a few strong clashes but nothing dirty going by the highlights. Total madness from Stelios. Aye they were. At one point Stellios was right in his face giving him pelters for something and you could see Wardrop getting stuck in (albeit fairly) on a couple of occassions. I can't remember why Stellios was in his face but the St Mirren TV commentators also picked up on it. It was actually a decent battle before Stellios completely lost the plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddist Monk Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Unsure if this has been posted in the thread yet (did a quick check and didn't notice it... I've not listened to that yet so no idea what he says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paddy Flannery Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 If there was a game to miss, it seems like it was this one, so in that sense I'm glad I avoided this mess. From reports it seems like we were just off the pace all day long, with the red card simply changing the outcome from a likely draw and possible victory to a likely loss. Dumbarton should get a lot of credit though, as you can only beat what is put in front of you, and it doesn't matter if that is a team at the top or the bottom of the league. I've looked at the sending off a couple of times and I know that people will think that I am being bias but I see that far more as just a clumsy challenge with trailing arms than anything else. The ref gave a red and I can see why, but look at the replay he's not even looking at the player, his eyes are on the ball all the time. I need a different angle but I'd put it down to bad judgement than necessarily malicious. I could talk more about Stellios but I'll be surprised if he's still with us come the end of the January window. At his best he is a great asset - in short doses - yet at his worst he is a game loser. Now, the red card shouldn't be used as the cause of our defeat, albeit it's clearly a catalyst. It just seems like we weren't at the races. We are not Celtic, no matter how many signs we put up [emoji6], so we should not expect long unbeaten runs but, all in all, I'm still a lot happier at the way this season is going than last. I'd much prefer this game being looked at as a missed chance to turn the screw on United rather than a huge pothole in the road that will cause instability in the team. Even if it was completely accidental (I'm starting to question that) it's still a clear red card. Any player who leads with his elbow/forearm and completely smashes someone in the face is off, accidental/clumsy or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddist Monk Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Just now, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said: Even if it was completely accidental (I'm starting to question that) it's still a clear red card. Any player who leads with his elbow/forearm and completely smashes someone in the face is off, accidental/clumsy or not. I wasn't at the game, didn't see it other than on video, didn't see the context before (if there was one) or any previous niggles the two players may have had. So everything I say is only conjecture. From looking at the replay I can see why he's been sent off. We could do the whatabootery and say Livi got away with worse tackles mid week but that is being a bit mealy mouthed. I need to see a few other angles to get a clearer picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cameron2000 Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Reilly already has his hands on his head before the red comes out, as clear a red you'll see all season. As you say the whole shocked "what did I do?" act is cringeworthy. I didn't make the game yesterday but were Stelios and Wardrop having niggles with each other before that incident? It seems strange to fly in with your elbow aimed at someones face for no reason whatsoever, didn't appear to be any ill will in the game either, a few strong clashes but nothing dirty going by the highlights. Total madness from Stelios. Stelios appeared to go down off the ball near Wardrop, holding his privates just before the incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 I'm going to be totally honest and say that it's right up there with the most clearcut red cards I've seen. The speed, the way he jumps, the angle of his arm. Everything just screamed straight red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paddy Flannery Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 I wasn't at the game, didn't see it other than on video, didn't see the context before (if there was one) or any previous niggles the two players may have had. So everything I say is only conjecture. From looking at the replay I can see why he's been sent off. We could do the whatabootery and say Livi got away with worse tackles mid week but that is being a bit mealy mouthed. I need to see a few other angles to get a clearer picture. I mean the highlights couldn't be clearer. He quite literally smashes Wardrop in the face with his arm. What happened before it is completely irrelevant, as is whether he meant it or not.Livi players must have been booting your players in the face to be considered worse challenges than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cameron2000 Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 I mean the highlights couldn't be clearer. He quite literally smashes Wardrop in the face with his arm. What happened before it is completely irrelevant, as is whether he meant it or not.Livi players must have been booting your players in the face to be considered worse challenges than that. A Livi player would never do anything like that, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 8 minutes ago, Buddist Monk said: Unsure if this has been posted in the thread yet (did a quick check and didn't notice it... I've not listened to that yet so no idea what he says. Good interview, honest. Difficult not to like Jack Ross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddist Monk Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said: I mean the highlights couldn't be clearer. He quite literally smashes Wardrop in the face with his arm. What happened before it is completely irrelevant, as is whether he meant it or not. Livi players must have been booting your players in the face to be considered worse challenges than that. Two statements, allow me to answer both. One, the highlights clearly show he was looking at the ball, and the contact is hidden from the camera angle. So while I am not dismissing your comment, what I am saying is the evidence available to me isn't precise enough to see exactly what went on. You may have had the benefit of seeing it live, I did not. As for what went before or whether he meant it, sorry but you are very wrong there. Intent is a key factor in fouls. Now before you start defending your position, I am not saying that it shouldn't have been a red, what I am saying is that your assumption that nothing else matters other than the actual contact is not supported by the way referees are asked to interpret the rules of the game. Secondly, onto Livi, in short, "yes". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAD Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 8 minutes ago, cameron2000 said: Stelios appeared to go down off the ball near Wardrop, holding his privates just before the incident. That was because one of our players (can't remember who) rattled them with the ball. Wardrop was basically just up Stelios' arse, getting into him and niggling. Stelios lost the plot and deserved his red, it was a cheap shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddist Monk Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Good interview, honest. Difficult not to like Jack Ross. I hadn't listened to it before I posted it. He could have started off a good old fashion thread flaming, without me realising why.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paddy Flannery Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Two statements, allow me to answer both. One, the highlights clearly show he was looking at the ball, and the contact is hidden from the camera angle. So while I am not dismissing your comment, what I am saying is the evidence available to me isn't precise enough to see exactly what went on. You may have had the benefit of seeing it live, I did not. As for what went before or whether he meant it, sorry but you are very wrong there. Intent is a key factor in fouls. Now before you start defending your position, I am not saying that it shouldn't have been a red, what I am saying is that your assumption that nothing else matters other than the actual contact is not supported by the way referees are asked to interpret the rules of the game. Secondly, onto Livi, in short, "yes". Regardless of what went on before or after it matters not a jot. Whether it was intent or not matters not a jot. An elbow/arm to the face with that sort of force is a straight red card. Not all fouls are determined by the same rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddist Monk Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said: Regardless of what went on before or after it matters not a jot. Whether it was intent or not matters not a jot. An elbow/arm to the face with that sort of force is a straight red card. Not all fouls are determined by the same rules. Yeah, you seem a nice enough poster but you are most certainly wrong in several of your assumptions above. I am sure someone, more educated in this sort of thing than either of us, can confirm but I certainly do not intend to spend the next hour doing a Chuckle Brothers "to me, to you" about the subject. So let's just agree to disagree for now. Ultimately it was a red, you won the game, we lost it, and we all move on to next week. It's really not an issue worth arguing about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howlin' Wilf Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Looks to me like he went in with the elbow up. Absolutely crazy thing to do in the middle of the park with nothing at stake. Red card no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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